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Richard Carthon: Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of cryptocurrency, your host here, Richard Carthon. And today I have a special guest who’s currently on holiday out in Venice, Italy, but is originally from Switzerland, working on a really, really cool project called Rupert’s Network. We have Nathan. How you doing today?

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Nithin Palavalli: Great, thank you.

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Richard Carthon: Well, glad you could join us. Before we start to learn more about Rubik’s first, want to learn a little bit more about you? He tell us a little bit of background about yourself.

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Richard Carthon: Sure. So I started as a scientist then looking on nanotechnology and also Micro NanoSystems. Later on, I moved on to become a financial adviser and investment banker. So when I started investing on crypto projects, which I found quite interesting from the traditional finance, I moved into the blockchain economy that

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Richard Carthon: literally can’t be trusted, and blockchain seems to be the future. So that’s for us, for our evaluation and now. But I strongly believe finally decided to step into the blockchain, but I been in the industry for the past four and a half years. I did a couple of startups I angel investor and I mentored and advised several crypto startups are now I’m running a big network as a company and a public team.

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Richard Carthon: That’s awesome, man. So again, you’ve had some experience in traditional finance and a lot of other startups are really unique background. What stuck out to you about crypto and blockchain that made you say, I need to go all in on this?

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Richard Carthon: Then when you just look back, you know, people do have a very short term memory when you look back, OK? The world has existed like this forever, but it wasn’t right. So if you just take a step back, like when the fiat currencies for non-existent, everything was based on. The weight of gold, silver, nickel, copper. So if you take from Roman Empire to design the Ming Dynasty in China, so the value of the currency was changing.

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Richard Carthon: It’s only about the weight and the purity of the gold, which was completely established, right? So now fast-forward 1971. Right. So the fiat currencies have been quite unstable to begin with. And

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Richard Carthon: blockchain has a way, at least so far, because people are quite knowledgeable at this point of time. And the second thing is, as an investment banker coming from a traditional banking industry, we have seen a lot of other problems with database. But usually people, they do manipulate

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Richard Carthon: it.

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Nithin Palavalli: And the smoke alert cannot be altered. That is something which is forever something that you cannot whitewash it. So this is the revolutionary technology to begin, but nobody can take it on because it’s so decentralized and we think, OK, so the transparency is the future. So coming back from the monetary value and the second part will be the transparency I see, OK, this is where the future is going to be. So the threat I took at four and a half years ago and I’m still at the time, but don’t come to you.

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Richard Carthon: Yeah, I feel you, man. When I first learned about it back in twenty eighteen, coming from a traditional finance world, also, you just saw how this is going to one, be more international, provide more access to people and create new forms of generational wealth to purely from an access point. Because usually wealth is you. You have to be able to find a way to have access, to generate it and to have financial tools that can help elevate you to that next place. And crypto is one of the first ways that you can really start to break a lot of that down and create these new ways for people to get in and get the access to these tools and get this generational wealth.

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Richard Carthon: But like you said, the side that you were kind of looking at more was the blockchain side and looking at how was this infrastructure, this this institution starting to be built? And you went and created and was part of Rubik’s Network, which is doing something really cool, which you are doing the you are part of the inventors of proof of harvest. So can you just break down first? What is Rubik’s network? And then you break down what is proof of harvest?

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Richard Carthon: So Rubik’s Network is the publication protocol so well, it’s another public chain, apart from the existing protocols

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Richard Carthon: unique about this. It is a real, pure peer to peer network and it’s a real peer to peer network each and every week while it itself is the norm. Unlike, for example, Bitcoin, Ethereum and other nodes, those p e e completely centralized able to do so. Bitcoin has a one thousand one hundred active route. So when you open a bottle of bitcoin and you have your coins inside your mobile phone or any other device, you really don’t have the coins.

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Richard Carthon: So the coins are actually stored in a node, which is thought you knew you are entrusting somebody and your own D for data access keys for the coins, whereas Ruby Dee fundamentally changed the way things will work. So the moment you download a Rubik’s, if you have your coins, you really have it, you don’t have to entrust anybody else. So that is one of the things we have wanted. And the second thing on Rubik’s for what is about.

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Richard Carthon: Saving the public, but we are completely carbon neutral or even carbon negative by consent. So we all know the blockchain is not it’s not proportional or not even friendly towards carbon emissions. It’s which is very well established and there is a new estimate saying that, OK, maybe a blockchain is burning enough for electricity power. Like Philippines or Malaysia or even Argentina? But

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Richard Carthon: even there is even a chance that it might even burn more than the United States. Fast forward to the future. So this is where we saw one of the fundamental problems. I should look into it without compromising the decentralization of it. So that’s where we started.

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Richard Carthon: May it not compromise the decentralized automotive auditorium. They are compromising the decentralized part and coming towards the proof of stake, and they are becoming more centralized. But on the bright side, I think they are becoming more energy efficient. But we want to be more efficient and at the same time, they want to be completely decentralized. It should be a peer to peer. So we worked on this particular project for four years, and now we have already achieved it on the mainland, just like and anybody can download, it will be developed and they shall be able to transact in no time.

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Richard Carthon: That’s awesome. Well, congratulations on launching. Mean that we know how big of a thing that is and how challenging it can be, especially going after two major things where you’re doing proof of harvest, which is again, like you said, zero carbon emissions. You’re not having to burn all of this energy in order for your blockchain to have value. But the other side of it that I want to spend a little bit more time on is just why is what are the benefits of being more peer to peer and decentralized, like you said? A lot of people, you know, when they say, you’re not your keys, not you’re not sure why you don’t own it.

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Richard Carthon: And a lot of ways when people think about like a bitcoin, you put it on like a ledger or a.m., et cetera, and you’re in, you’re doing that. Can you kind of just break that down a little bit more of how something like Rubik’s Network is a little bit more secure in how you are truly owning your crypto?

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Richard Carthon: Sure. So I would like to give you two examples to begin with, which are simple and straightforward. So the first example is bitcoin. There are a couple of months ago or maybe starting of this year, there was one particular government crackdown on bitcoin. So the hassle of the hash fell down almost 60 percent overnight, or maybe in the week after, which was such a short period of time. So. Although bitcoin is a it’s a peer to peer people it, but still it is fairly a centralized currency to begin with because to run bitcoin, you really need a lot of normal.

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Richard Carthon: I want to run the normal or you’re going to do it at some point of time. The regulators will to find me. Are you running this particular panel? So but there is a fair amount of centralization which is spread across the globe. So if all the regulators combined together decide to ban bitcoin overnight, it will be done

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Richard Carthon: so. But as the second example recently, I would like to point to another exemplary network for Llama, which is extremely good and revolutionary technology. But the number of notes is less than 100 or 120. So they had a network outage for more than 12 hours or more, and it didn’t work. A few peer to peer blockchain will never have that lexicalized. For example, when this protocol is what we are doing as we are having a video call on the background, I am running a little bit twilight and I am making it.

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Richard Carthon: So as a follow up to the song, it’s like the MacBook Air. It’s nothing fancy. It’s a very simple computer, and we already have an Android version of its far-Left, where you shall be able to download on Android and even iPhone, which is coming fast. You shouldn’t be able to run the floor. So for every transaction price, so the moment when you do a transaction, so for example, you sent me tender bitcoins and it will be validated by another 21 more which are completely independent of each other. And there is no way a regulator shall be able to take it down.

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Richard Carthon: So we are completely making sure that we are not bothered by the regulators, too. And the second thing what we have done and innovation is called a decentralized identity. So every single Rubik’s wallet at a Rubik’s not connected to its own digital identity, whether it can be based on your biometrics or it can be based on your

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Richard Carthon: wealth creation, or it can even be based on the pictogram or a password, so it’s up to you. You have many ways of choosing how your decentralized identity is going to be. If the moment you lose your coins, for example, 25 to 30 percent of bitcoins are lost forever and it can never be recovered unless and until you have the keys. But the moment you lose

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Richard Carthon: the device or the keys, you still be able to recover because it’s got it instantly attached to your biometrics. You should be able to recapture. So in terms of security, which we have seen, we have been in the cyber security arena for quite some time. Rubik’s as a company, you could see we do have a lot of clients for the cybersecurity, but we and certainly that particular region. So these are the clear advantages over.

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Richard Carthon: Security is always going to be in the central. Peace to how we evolve in the crypto space. It’s interesting how you’re bringing the element of the biometrics. So like you said, if, for example,

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Richard Carthon: everything that happened in Afghanistan and everyone needed to leave, so let’s say that someone had a robust network wallet so they wouldn’t necessarily need to have their keys, they would need to have anything else like that. They could literally flee, go over. They need to go. And as long as they have their biometrics within, they would be able to have access to their coins. Can you kind of break down like what that looks like? Because I really want to like re-emphasize like how cool that is?

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Sure. And you look back to the future first passports. So the reason why you need a passport, if you want password, what is what it does, it just authorizes that you are the rightful owner of that particular password so that it’s still that it’s physical or anything else. So password is the way to get into what you what belongs to you. Right? So the future should be password list because that’s what has to be stored in centralized it.

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So, for example, people, you’re logging into hundreds of shops every day and starting from food delivery or the taxi apps, all the databases will be stored on the supply. So if there are 10 million or 100 million.

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So just give me a second.

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Richard Carthon: So if there is a 10 million passports stored in a single database, what happens at that particular point of time? It gives hackers a lot of financial incentives to go ahead and hack into it. There is a thing that never challenge a hacker, no matter what, they will be able to get you to do. So if you have something, it’s just like what I see when there was a kid I used to watch DuckTales. It’s a cartoon where Uncle Scrooge used to make sure he used to protect his chest, where he has lot of gold coins out there, right? But I feel it’s the same thing.

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Richard Carthon: No matter what, people will be able to find a way and get your call and get your passport stash. So the future passport list when you use Rubik’s technology that’s connected to your own digital identity. All you need is your private.

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Richard Carthon: I think he can be given to anybody else on the planet, and it cannot be her, and the private key is yourself that it can be a biometric so it can be a keeper to keep his password. Or do you prefer biometrics? Always, whether it’s a fingerprint or voice or both. And you should be able to access different opponents. So the example what your kids, whether it’s Afghanistan or Lebanon or it’s another country. So whichever regime comes and whoever, whatever happens or if you’re you, shall be able to access your own assets.

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Richard Carthon: Right. So and we are building more number of features

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Richard Carthon: a shall able to store even other assets like bitcoin and.

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Richard Carthon: Yeah, which is amazing, and I think as we look at some of these cold storage wallets and everything else, being able to provide different things like biometrics to be able to open them is really cool because unfortunately, there’s also been a lot of people who’ve moved their crypto to cold storage and lost their passwords and or they lost their key phrases. And like you said, that crypto is gone forever. So having more ways that people can just use their own identity going password less? Um. Is providing that next level of security, so I think that is really, really cool.

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Richard Carthon: Another thing I want to bring up just really quickly is the transaction. So I know that you were saying that I believe Rupert’s network is now doing more than both Bitcoin and Ethereum. Can you kind of explain that a little bit more?

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Richard Carthon: Sure. So whenever you don’t know, there will be more than I previously mentioned, it’s it’s still no auto pilot or no. So currently we have more than ten thousand five hundred not is fully functioning and which are on. And there are some inactive nodes, just like any other network. But I’m only talking about that, you know? So it is ten thousand four hundred. So for example, you two and four one to define to me what happens is on the backend automatically picks 21 validators.

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Richard Carthon: So five, it’s 10000 divided by 21. You can do that. Many five live transactions at this point. So we are not bound by transactions looks like a game which we have already eliminated from the arena is a big thing. Bitcoin and Ethereum can do. 15. And there are some folks to claim they can do 200000. So we are not going for the transactions per second game. What we are doing, we are eliminating that term using the be the model number of nodes, for example, that are 100 million or 21 million nodes available to model and then can do 1000000 transactions per second movements, which are totally independent of each other.

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Richard Carthon: So.

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Richard Carthon: So that’s really cool and glad you could break that down, because a lot of people, I think, missed that. One of the challenges that we’re seeing in the space right now is that a lot of, you know, scam scammers, unfortunately are coming in and they’re going to try to manipulate the transactions, no matter like how you add. More and more of that will go in. They’ll try to find ways to like this put in just a little bit of crypto in a lot of people’s walls to see if they do anything with it, then try to back in and instill it. So I’m sure with Rubin’s networking as being secure as all our yard thinking through different ways to continue to keep everyone’s money safe, making sure everything’s going securely and by allowing that amount of nodes.

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Richard Carthon: I will correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that also adds another layer of the security that you can have as everything is kind of flowing through.

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Richard Carthon: So you loved what you said is a real problem at this point of time when people are building a secondary layer of social media. So those problems are quite common. So let me tell you, a real world example is what is the secondary level or tertiary level is up scaling so that you just think about the highly under-resourced tollgate, which is available and you can only pass seven or 15 cars in one sec.

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Richard Carthon: So that is the transactions per second. So that is the bottleneck.

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Richard Carthon: So for Bitcoin, it’s only seven cups, which compressed and the highly affected him get only 15 points. So how do you pack 1000 transactions within the 15 transactions per second? So just

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Richard Carthon: take 15 or 10000 15000 transactions and split into one particular car and just pass inside. So what you’re doing technically, you’re not only you’re making the network quite efficient, but you are using a lot of security loopholes because those 15000 transactions are not validated peer to peer. Right. So those 15 transactions

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Richard Carthon: is a single package and only the hash or just transaction number or later, but most of the transactions could be related. So that is bad law. There are a lot of other problems in terms of although more are happening at this point time. So I would say that secondary scaling is a temporary solution going forward, which should be the primary system right now.

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Richard Carthon: And thank you for breaking that down on the highway. Illustration is really good. That was like one of the best ways I’ve heard that kind of.

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Richard Carthon: Told before, so I really appreciate that that example I’m beneath and on as we kind of just look like you took a ten thousand square foot view of everything that’s going on in the crypto space right now. And you look to where things are headed, let’s say, in the near term, future in the next, like one to three years. What do you think the emphasis is going to start shifting towards within the crypto space? Is it security? Is it speed? Is it gaming? Like, what do you think people are going to? Are the the overall market’s going to keep trending towards?

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Richard Carthon: So currently we see there there are a couple of or even three to four industries which are picking up by just so the first to being in the finance, which is decentralized finance, where things are going crazy because we have seen bankruptcy and nobody like bankers. So being the ex-banker myself. I know the feeling how it works. Nobody likes the bankers, but people seem to love decentralized finance. Made for the first time in the history, you are able to access 110 million dollars without even having to reveal your own name.

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Richard Carthon: We don’t want having to know. All you need is a simple logic program you are able to access in the past never happened, right? So you all need a lot of paperwork, and

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Richard Carthon: all anchors are highly biased. They will only give loans to people whom they know or they trust, or at least pretend to be trusting. So that is one. And the second thing which is coming up as game, which is getting quite bigger and the influence influencer economy, which is becoming point clouds in the crypto space. And the third thing which is our digital identity, where I would see there is a huge potential which is happening the moment the digital identity happens and a lot of existing problems can be taken away.

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Richard Carthon: So coming back to the same passport, right? So for example, I want to give you one example how do you use like some food takeaways or even Amazon or any other

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Richard Carthon: delivery? OK. So they do have your name. They do have your data, but your address, your bank card or your credit card details to have everything of yours available readily for them. So and every day, not one that you will see. Keep on hearing. That’s OK. This company got that, but what you hear in the news is just less than 10 percent. No company will try to tell you that, OK, we got hacked and over 100 million users database is available in the public.

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Richard Carthon: So what happened to this ago? Have you visited Thailand in the last 10 years?

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Richard Carthon: I have not, unfortunately, but want to.

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Richard Carthon: OK. OK, so if you have visited Thailand in the last 10 years, so your details will be available only because the whole database was leaked. I visited my database, I was able to so. Wow. It doesn’t like it is not my problem, but it is available for the digital identities are the beach. So there are several ways of digital identity. One is for the commercial and practical applications. And second, one is for the sovereign applications and everything has to be based on blockchain.

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Richard Carthon: And the digital identity based on the sovereign identity, and there is no way to leak under your.

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Richard Carthon: Into your own digital identity, so the moment you make a purchase on Amazon or make a food delivery, they only have to know your address. They don’t have to know your credit card details. They don’t have to know your out anything else. All they have to know your digital identity, which is an identifier. No, and not even in your name. OK, so why do you need to put your credit card details because they have not authorized? No, the control was coming back to you. So you have to authorize whether that guy is getting money or not.

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Richard Carthon: So we chose to give you tools a great potential for the future.

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Richard Carthon: Yeah, it’s very interesting. How do we start to still be able to do these transactions without necessarily giving away all the information about yourself but still have payment go through and have everything working, I think as. Mass adoption continues to come to crypto, and the UI of those kinds of experiences are continued to be worked on. These are real world current challenges that will be solved. So thanks for bringing that to our attention. But Nathan, you’ve given us a lot of great information.

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Richard Carthon: Always like to wrap up with two fun questions. The first being with all the information you have right now, if you go back to yourself when you first got involved in the crypto blockchain space, what are one the two pieces of information that you give yourself? Or pieces of advice.

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Richard Carthon: The first advice is I would have started building the self-identity way back in 2016 17. Then by this time, Roberts would have been the number of books on the planet so which we have built it in 2021 anyway, so we still have over three million co-producers begin. But the factual thing that would have been number one for me and the number two would have been probably the NFT, which we have created nonfungible tokens to pay back.

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Richard Carthon: But we did not actually realized it was the NFT until last year. So we used to call something else. But that particular technology has been with us for quite sometime, right?

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Richard Carthon: That’s really cool.

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Richard Carthon: And it just goes to show that innovation, sometimes when you are passionate about something and that the timing makes sense to just jump in and go for it. I always like to re-emphasize to our listeners,

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Richard Carthon: sometimes things are going to be pulling on you a little bit. And if you think you’re being called to take some action on something that makes a lot of sense to you. Sometimes it is. You just got to go act on it. And the other is that when you’re working on things, sometimes the timing might not necessarily be right. But when the timing is right and you’re at the right place, right time, things just start happening. So I think that’s a two good pieces that you would give back to yourself and appreciate you sharing that with us. But as we wrap up here, Nathan, what is a final thought that you want to leave with all of our listeners here today?

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Richard Carthon: Yeah, so the final thought will be crypto on the blockchain is the future. So everybody should have.

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Richard Carthon: Basic things are probably they should try out once only it clearly works, and it’s like a rabbit hole. So we welcome everybody to be a part of it.

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Richard Carthon: Absolutely. It’s a rabbit hole that you’ll keep going down and you’ll be happy that you were a part of. So thank you for that final thought. What are ways that people can connect with you and keep learning more about Rubik’s network?

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Richard Carthon: We are available on most of the social media channels. And if they want to be a part of a community on GitHub, they shall be happy. We shall be happy to help them out to build smart contracts on the top of it, or they want to be a part of my little community. They can download the node, which is readily available on GitHub, which is open source. And that’s if they want to be a part of the economy, and we shall be happy to help them to see suitable, practical or accomplished applications on the top of.

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Richard Carthon: Excellent. Well, again,

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Richard Carthon: photos of supply.

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Richard Carthon: Gotcha. Cool, well, thank you for that. I think you cut out there for a second, so I’ll make sure to share all of your social links in the show notes. And if you’re a part of the community, especially the developer side, you want to go on and start building some stuff, that was a great invitation. Make sure you go and check it out. But again, Nathan, really appreciate your time today. And as always, for all of our listeners, stay cryptocurrency. Hey, cryptocurrency crew. We want to give a quick shout out to all of our faithful listeners out there. It’s been an amazing journey and we really appreciate your support throughout the years as we’ve been growing as a community.

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