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Richard Carthon: Hello, everyone, welcome to another episode of Crypto Current, your host here, Richard Carthon, on it today, I have a very special guest all the way out in New York, working on an

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Richard Carthon: extremely cool NFT project in the ecosystem

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Richard Carthon: and all the things

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Richard Carthon: NFT that I’m excited

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Richard Carthon: to learn more about. And I hope

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Richard Carthon: you are too. We have the

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Richard Carthon: CEO and founder,

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Richard Carthon: Julian Rodriguez . How are you doing today?

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Julian Rodriguez: Hey, Richard. Great. Exciting.

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Richard Carthon: Awesome, man. Well, before we dive

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Julian Rodriguez: in, I want to learn more about you. Can you give us some background on yourself?

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Julian Rodriguez: Yeah, absolutely. So I’ve been in crypto since 2012. I bought my first bitcoin from Charlie Shrem, which I was the founder of Very Instant. That was like the first exchange here in the US for Americans started to what to buy bitcoin.

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Julian Rodriguez: He was the guy

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Julian Rodriguez: that brought the Winklevoss into the bitcoin ecosystem,

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Julian Rodriguez: and there was

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Julian Rodriguez: a lot of buzz happening at that time. I mean, nothing like today, but I think, you know, for

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Julian Rodriguez: something so new, a couple of meetup

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Julian Rodriguez: groups in New York, there was a bitcoin center on Wall Street. And yeah, I got into every project I could. I said yes to everything. And so that led me to be one of the first basic miners on Earth. And then I ended up at the Bitcoin magazine in 2013.

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Julian Rodriguez: And I’ve worked

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Julian Rodriguez: with the

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Julian Rodriguez: Vitalik, so without Berhan

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Julian Rodriguez: was the co-founder of the Bitcoin magazine. And at the time, he wrote like 80 percent, 80 to 90 percent of all the articles. And so, yeah, so I helped review maybe about a half or a quarter of those and just all the operational, the behind the scenes stuff and then the physical distribution of the magazine in New York, because New York City at that time was like crucial

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Julian Rodriguez: to the growth of like crypto.

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Julian Rodriguez: And so, yeah, the Ethereum whitepaper, obviously one of the first to receive a

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Julian Rodriguez: review, and

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Julian Rodriguez: we published a six page spread in the Bitcoin magazine in January 2014. And that’s where it when it came out right to the world. And so, so be on the ground floor of like all of that stuff and see what cryptos today is.

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Julian Rodriguez: It’s really amazing.

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Julian Rodriguez: I personally

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Julian Rodriguez: couldn’t have imagined that this would, you know, like this would be

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Julian Rodriguez: at the scale that it is right now. And I still the world. I think we’re super early in the show.

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Richard Carthon: Yeah, I mean, it’s highly encouraging to here. And you say that someone I would consider a crypto job in this space since 2012, working ground

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Richard Carthon: level, some of the first people

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Richard Carthon: in bitcoin, even with the Tata consultancy in the white paper. I mean, it’s clear that you saw this and said, this is the future. I need to be in this industry.

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Richard Carthon: So kind of walk us through like.

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Richard Carthon: After like being in this initial phase of seeing crypto coming to life and being through a couple of

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Richard Carthon: bull and bear cycles, and now we’re

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Richard Carthon: at a current, you know, potential end of a bullish cycle right now. And like, how would you describe that journey to the newbie? So like the newbie, that just

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Richard Carthon: hurt that and was like, Well, you

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Richard Carthon: mean I’m early, like, I’m a decade late. Like, why would you still tell them? Like, Hey, it’s still early?

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Richard Carthon: So I don’t perspective of

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Richard Carthon: what it was. You know, what

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Richard Carthon: the future is going to be like is very messy, right? Bitcoin essentially only gave you the ability to have like a global ledger and maybe transfer money

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Richard Carthon: back and forth. So we took

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Richard Carthon: the position that bitcoin was going to be the new currency, right? And that’s sort of what we were trying to push. A lot of P.O.S. system sort of came. A lot of ATMs were all those initial ATM companies and stuff like that. And we would give out we would give out

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Richard Carthon: big money like

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Julian Rodriguez: a lot of people realize, like all of the all of the almost all the bitcoin like free 2014 was just like given out shared like, you know, we wanted people to adopt it or have it on their phones and just, you know, like, share it around. And today, that’s totally change, right? And I think specifically what he would in theory of the smart contracts and the ability for tokens and what led to NFTs has totally changed how we think about crypto, right? And just those things were just

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Richard Carthon: not top of mind,

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Julian Rodriguez: right? I mean, CryptoKitties as a project really blew up in like 2016, right? So imagine like this, you know, there were there were years where we weren’t

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Richard Carthon: even really thinking

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Richard Carthon: about digital ownership of assets off the blockchain, like we weren’t even thinking about that. And I think the number one thing to me that signaled

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Richard Carthon: that this is the

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Richard Carthon: beginning in DeFi, right? They if you ask me, DeFi really changed

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Richard Carthon: everything because now you

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Richard Carthon: have individuals that are staking anywhere from $50 to $50 million or the larger sort of funds to pursue a yield. Right. So they’re just like, Yo, I’m going to lock up my money. I’m going to keep it here off the movie because I’m happy enough

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Richard Carthon: getting the

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Richard Carthon: five seven, eight, 10, 12 percent, but I can’t really get anywhere else. Right. And so now people are incentivized to just support the community that way.

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Richard Carthon: And that’s why I don’t think

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Richard Carthon: we’re going to have like a crazy, you know, bear market because people are just no reason for people to pull out of crypto. There might be some corrections, of course, right? It’s not guaranteed, but we’re never going to see like, you know what, we you to see the bust cycles we used to

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Richard Carthon: see was like,

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Richard Carthon: you know, crypto losing 70, 60 percent market cap in like a week and then everyone being like scared to come back again. And you’ve got to wait a couple more

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Richard Carthon: months and it gets

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Richard Carthon: back in the news cycle.

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Richard Carthon: But I think that that is, you know,

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Richard Carthon: and that’s what we need, right? Because like in this new future, now we can build on it. It’s like people can now understand and depend on the ecosystem. The infrastructure is not going anywhere.

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Richard Carthon: So it’s

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Richard Carthon: kind of like, it’s kind of like if you think like, I don’t know where like now in the phases where like we can may feel

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Richard Carthon: reliably. So now it’s like,

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Richard Carthon: let’s make the trains right, let’s make the

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Richard Carthon: train lines.

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Richard Carthon: Let’s build the train companies before it was like, we’re kind of figuring out like what was the perfect mixture to make steel? Yeah.

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Richard Carthon: Know you bring up a good point, man. It’s like earlier you’re building the infrastructure, you’re laying down the groundwork. You have to have people who first were owning it and then telling others and letting it organically start to grow. Shout out to all the people who got early bitcoin and held on. Congratulations. You got one of the greatest gifts ever given to you in life

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Richard Carthon: are going through, by the way, which, by the way, was

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Richard Carthon: not me, unfortunately.

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Richard Carthon: Yeah.

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Richard Carthon: Like I said, I spent most of my time giving it away, sharing and evangelizing and and, you know, I’ve lost probably 20, 50, 100 bitcoin in like different experiments, people, wallets and some other stuff. I just can’t get it back right?

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Richard Carthon: Stuff, it happens. But it. It’s in a lesson that you’ve learned and you were able to accelerate and help with your momentum of where you’re headed and the only thing I just want to bring up real quick is I do agree with you that the next bear cycle that we go through, the difference here is that there’s

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Richard Carthon: legitimacy, there’s foundation

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Richard Carthon: and there is now be fighting and staking the fact that

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Richard Carthon: you can they will start

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Richard Carthon: to start jacking up those APIs if it means they don’t, you don’t dump all of their crypto and they will like let you make sure that there is a nice piece of support there. It’s going to be.

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Richard Carthon: I don’t know if we’re going to see

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Richard Carthon: 80 percent drops anymore, 90 percent drops even 70. I think we still could see like 50 to 60,

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Richard Carthon: but like, that’s still significantly less than what it used

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Richard Carthon: to be. So I will chalk that up as

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Richard Carthon: as a win. But, you know, time will tell.

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Richard Carthon: We will see, but I will learn more about momentum.

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Richard Carthon: So what is it? When did you come up with it

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Richard Carthon: and and

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Richard Carthon: were they just

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Richard Carthon: tell us more about it?

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Richard Carthon: Yeah.

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Richard Carthon: So Momentum was a director fan NFT platform where we helped creators own their content and monetize their audience. And so for their audience, for their

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Richard Carthon: fans, that really means

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Richard Carthon: closer relationships, more direct relationships and the ability to grow with their favorite creators, right? The people who inspire them.

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Richard Carthon: It’s pretty much Rachel from working with Vitalik, you know, and sort of seeing all the projects early on in the space.

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Richard Carthon: What I what I you know

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Richard Carthon: what I felt the biggest insight was was the fact that

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Richard Carthon: what would have the most potential would be in transitioning the most successful Web 2.0

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Richard Carthon: project, especially in a

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Richard Carthon: social scale. I think, you know, social kind of like impacting me, and I think everyone in our generation pretty significantly.

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Richard Carthon: And I just felt

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Richard Carthon: like, Wow, what would that look like on where I’m

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Richard Carthon: 3.0, right?

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Richard Carthon: And for us, 3.0

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Richard Carthon: was always

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Richard Carthon: defined as

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Richard Carthon: ownership

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Richard Carthon: and utility. And so like because the big problem with social media today,

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Richard Carthon: whether

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Richard Carthon: it’s TikTok or Facebook,

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Richard Carthon: is that what they’re really

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Richard Carthon: doing is like attention manipulation, right? They’re just running ads to satisfy their own balance sheets, right? And sort of manipulating attention and shifting

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Richard Carthon: those ads and showing them

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Richard Carthon: to different

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Richard Carthon: groups where they want to

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Richard Carthon: monetize, right? So

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Richard Carthon: I think that the future Web three allows the creator to own all of their content. Right? Grow with that content

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Richard Carthon: and share

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Richard Carthon: it directly to the people who are willing to pay for it. It’s just like it’s a faster, more liquid.

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Richard Carthon: I think more

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Richard Carthon: efficient way to price your content,

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Richard Carthon: right? Because you’re a creator,

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Richard Carthon: you’re putting out the best of you into the world. And so there’s really no reason for there to be like an arbitrary, you know, like a middle man standing in between

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Richard Carthon: that and your audience, right?

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Richard Carthon: Whose only purpose is to run ads that have nothing to do with your content?

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Richard Carthon: Right.

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Richard Carthon: So I think more and more projects are going to and, you know, go down that rabbit hole. And so for us, right? Again, I can’t say it enough. It’s all about the content

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Richard Carthon: and we’re not here to like pump and dump

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Richard Carthon: coins or write creator coins or anything in that. It’s really about the content.

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Richard Carthon: You know, we want to

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Richard Carthon: help people establish

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Richard Carthon: those

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Richard Carthon: close relationships. I mean, when I think about it, when I was younger, I wish I had a closer relationship with all of the athletes that I used to look up to basketball players, baseball players.

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Richard Carthon: And I think, you know, finally, this is possible.

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Richard Carthon: Agreed men, and you know, as I’m just going through the website and looking at this, you know, I see some of the celebrities that you have some of the examples and

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Richard Carthon: being able to turn those, excuse

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Richard Carthon: me into these NFT moments. So like walk me through what that looks like. So for example, like, let’s say I am following an athlete.

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Richard Carthon: I like LeBron James, right?

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Richard Carthon: And let’s say that

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Richard Carthon: he’s putting up one of his

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Richard Carthon: classic Taco

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Richard Carthon: Tuesday videos.

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Richard Carthon: Would he do that if I really enjoy that video

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Richard Carthon: I now can buy that video as

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Richard Carthon: an NFT for

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Richard Carthon: my collection or kind of walk me through like how that that would look?

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Richard Carthon: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. So you get to own that moment, right?

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Richard Carthon: And and somewhere down

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Richard Carthon: the line, the creators are going to know that I’m making it a feature. This isn’t just my contract. I’m putting up on social. I’m specifically making it a teaser. It’s going to be a little more value there.

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Richard Carthon: And then on top of that,

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Richard Carthon: LeBron gets to add perks to the ownership, right? Because he knows this is going out to someone

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Richard Carthon: who is a super fan who really

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Richard Carthon: cares about what he’s doing, what you know about his brand. And so he’ll say, Hey, whoever whoever owns my NFT will have access to a live

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Richard Carthon: stream maybe once a

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Richard Carthon: quarter, right? Or once a month.

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Richard Carthon: Or, you know, you know, whatever

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Richard Carthon: his schedule

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Richard Carthon: is, he can

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Richard Carthon: even throw in right game passes and VIP passes,

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Richard Carthon: game

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Richard Carthon: tickets, or if he knows he’s going to be in a certain city, you know, for meet and greet so you can have an exclusive access to his community, you’re going to be part of his trial.

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Richard Carthon: That’s cool, man. And I guess another question I have with that is, are you is the the play with Memento. That Memento is helping these

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Richard Carthon: different creators come on and

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Richard Carthon: be able to create their own like strategies around, like how to make these NFT type plays in ecosystems? Or is it that they just now have a way to do it? They have to come up with their own like kind of strategies and how they want to implement it. Like how does how does that part work?

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Julian Rodriguez: So we know they’re the creators are way more creative than we are, right, so we’re trying to really just put together a tool

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Richard Carthon: of that and sort of

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Richard Carthon: the the infrastructure around them to allow them to create right so we can help them. I’m not sure how useful our house will be on the creative

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Richard Carthon: side, right? But yeah, it’s

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Julian Rodriguez: totally up to them, right? They get to price and create whatever whatever they feel like is best for their audience. Right. Because for

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Richard Carthon: us, the whole

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Richard Carthon: purpose of this

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Richard Carthon: is pure,

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Julian Rodriguez: raw authenticity. So we want you to get the human that is LeBron

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Richard Carthon: James Ray, the

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Richard Carthon: human that is Taylor Swift, the human that is Cardi

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Richard Carthon: B, right? We want you to really

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Julian Rodriguez: sort of see and engage with that because we think that that’s where the value is, right? Because there’s already all these systems of distribution for the music or the art or the athleticism. You know, we know where we can see

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Richard Carthon: that on

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Richard Carthon: TV buying the record on YouTube high post-production stuff. But that human right?

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Richard Carthon: You know, they’re human, right?

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Richard Carthon: It took them, you know, 20, 30 years to come up with the great stuff

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Richard Carthon: of the unit that inspires

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Richard Carthon: others. So maybe if more

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Richard Carthon: people can get a little closer

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Richard Carthon: to that, maybe they can, you know, continue to be inspired in their

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Richard Carthon: lives? Oh, absolutely, man.

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Richard Carthon: And like you said, it’s about the people and people enjoy those moments. There’s reasons that people enjoy going to music festivals and concerts and comedy shows

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Richard Carthon: to enjoy these

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Richard Carthon: moments with others. And even when you’re having that one on one, like you don’t know what people are going on through their life, but whether it maybe there is a song or maybe there a moment where there’s a piece of motivation that someone really enjoyed. For example, I follow Russell Wilson, and every once in a while he will drop an absolute

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Julian Rodriguez: gem of a motivational

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Julian Rodriguez: speech like, Oh

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Julian Rodriguez: man, this is gold I share with

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Richard Carthon: people. But like in that moment, if if you were able to like, potentially purchase that and be like, Oh man, like I really like this, really spoke to me, like, I would love to own this, something like my mentor would give the opportunity to do that.

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Richard Carthon: And on top of

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Richard Carthon: that, what I

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Richard Carthon: was looking, I noticed that

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Richard Carthon: it looks like you would be able to connect different types of wallets.

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Richard Carthon: I saw that you have a MetaMask,

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Richard Carthon: Coinbase wallet, everything else. So it seems like this is a decentralized platform. Or is this centralized?

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Richard Carthon: Yeah, enormously so. It be thoughtfully decentralized in 2022. We’re doing a multi-channel approach. So the creator will be able to

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Richard Carthon: choose what chain

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Richard Carthon: they want to make their lives

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Richard Carthon: easier because

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Julian Rodriguez: again, that’s another thing that we’re not

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Richard Carthon: going to say, Hey, you

00:16:22:29 – 00:16:25:06

Julian Rodriguez: know, this is the ultimate chain. You know, it’s one change.

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Richard Carthon: You rule them all. If the creator

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Julian Rodriguez: feels like minting on

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Richard Carthon: Ethereum, he can do that.

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Julian Rodriguez: He feels like minting offload. You can do

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Richard Carthon: that, Solana,

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Julian Rodriguez: et cetera. So we’re just like I said,

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Richard Carthon: we’re just going to provide ground

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Julian Rodriguez: zero for, Hey, this is where moments are exchanged.

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Julian Rodriguez: This is sort

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Julian Rodriguez: of like when you really think about it, it’s kind of like a stock market for digital content, right? Where content is the new asset class and buying is the like, right? That’s really what we’re trying to put out there now.

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Julian Rodriguez: That’s cool, man. It is definitely a unique use case, and I’m excited to see how people are going to engage with this man just because they’re super fans everywhere. And like you said, a lot of the infrastructures that are out there are have a middle person,

00:17:08:08 – 00:17:09:14

Julian Rodriguez: and a lot of these

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Julian Rodriguez: content creators ultimately are seeing, uh, pennies

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Julian Rodriguez: on the dollar of what

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Julian Rodriguez: they’re creating. And it sounds like this is going to allow them to have significantly more and even multiples and royalties on top of it, like that’s just a whole nother game plan that, like a lot of people don’t understand yet the fact

00:17:25:15 – 00:17:27:02

Julian Rodriguez: that even though you sell this once,

00:17:27:04 – 00:17:30:13

Julian Rodriguez: even as this new person owns it and then they want to resell it every time is resold,

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Julian Rodriguez: they get a piece of that,

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Julian Rodriguez: and that’s amazing.

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Julian Rodriguez: Actually, yeah, so there are real royalties attached to the

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Julian Rodriguez: NFT, and of course, the fans can reach

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Julian Rodriguez: out to other fans. But we also even have a internal mechanism around our token

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Julian Rodriguez: that works

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Julian Rodriguez: within the

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Julian Rodriguez: app that allows

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Julian Rodriguez: you to once you own an NFT benefit from future royalties on all future NFT sold by the creator. That’s like the real superfan, right? That’s the

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Julian Rodriguez: super fan that buys

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Julian Rodriguez: content from a creator to hold on to it. They want to support long term if they want to grow with with their creators. So there’s a there’s a lot of incentive mechanisms that we have

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Julian Rodriguez: and

00:18:16:07 – 00:18:21:06

Julian Rodriguez: users casual users will even earn a small little yield

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Julian Rodriguez: for just liking

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Julian Rodriguez: or sharing some of the content

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Julian Rodriguez: read.

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Julian Rodriguez: So we’re experimenting with a lot of things that you just don’t see in the media because that’s not the point. The point or

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Julian Rodriguez: the media is just a run of

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Julian Rodriguez: hands and it’s lucrative, but it’s one sided and it’s full of friction when we’re not getting what we want contact readers and not getting what they want. And it’s just that it’s just a mess. And so, you know, you see a lot of the issues that we’ve been seeing in the past five, you know, five to 10 years in social

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Julian Rodriguez: media where it just

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Julian Rodriguez: becomes like a set pool of noise, right? Everybody kind of feels bad and negative about it.

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Julian Rodriguez: Yeah, no. You bring up a lot of solid points, man. And.

00:19:06:28 – 00:19:09:16

Julian Rodriguez: You think about the point of social media, just like you said, the

00:19:09:18 – 00:19:11:04

Julian Rodriguez: point was for advertisements

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Julian Rodriguez: and it was to monetize that way. And with this, it’s still you still have your content and yes, you can still monetize, but it’s going directly to your consumer. It’s you, you’re going directly to that person.

00:19:23:08 – 00:19:24:17

Julian Rodriguez: So it’s just that next

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Julian Rodriguez: level of true connection and having ways that if people want to own something, they can go directly to that, like almost almost like an art gallery, right? So if you go into an art gallery or like, I like this piece, I want this piece you walk away with, at least right now living in this virtual world.

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Julian Rodriguez: You have the access to do that, but not just with

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Julian Rodriguez: artists, with

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Julian Rodriguez: with anyone that you

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Julian Rodriguez: are really influenced

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Julian Rodriguez: by. So that’s that’s pretty cool, man.

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Julian Rodriguez: So one of the other things that I kind of want to unpack here is as we look at the

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Julian Rodriguez: greater NFT space, there’s been a lot of momentum this year 2021’s been as

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Julian Rodriguez: significant, like next wave of excitement in this

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Julian Rodriguez: space. And you know, we’ve seen different

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Julian Rodriguez: waves of this from like twenty seventeen when the first CryptoKitties craze happened to, um, I would say, beginning of this year with a lot of the the crypto punks that took off, even though that was made in the last bull cycle, you have bought it Yacht Club, et cetera, you’re starting to see more traditional artists starting getting into the NFT plays and. NFTs truly are going in a significant way. What is your outlook as you look at the

00:20:31:27 – 00:20:33:00

Julian Rodriguez: future of the

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Julian Rodriguez: space and how do you think is going to continue to evolve?

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Julian Rodriguez: Yeah, I’ve seen it firsthand. About two weeks ago, I was at a private boarding yacht club event here in New York, and it blew my mind, right? I’ve been to a lot of parties, but there was something different about

00:20:50:08 – 00:20:51:13

Julian Rodriguez: this and it was

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Julian Rodriguez: unexpected, right? I didn’t

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Julian Rodriguez: expect that that was

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Julian Rodriguez: going to be the vibe. I didn’t expect

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Julian Rodriguez: that that would,

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Julian Rodriguez: you know, and so many other people were engaged. I had really no idea. I knew

00:21:00:28 – 00:21:02:15

Julian Rodriguez: people were owners

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Julian Rodriguez: of board games, of course.

00:21:04:04 – 00:21:05:11

Julian Rodriguez: But you know, the

00:21:05:13 – 00:21:09:14

Julian Rodriguez: fact that they were willing to all sort of for a good number of them show up in New York

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Julian Rodriguez: and just

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Julian Rodriguez: the way it was set

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Julian Rodriguez: up. I think boards

00:21:13:14 – 00:21:16:18

Julian Rodriguez: on the community side is like, you know,

00:21:16:26 – 00:21:18:12

Julian Rodriguez: a, you know, a bus

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Julian Rodriguez: ride like they are here right now, they’re they’re getting your life. And I can only imagine this is the beginning. So I think that it’s all about community. It’s all about building that community around these NFT drops. And that’s what we’re seeing. People really want to engage, right? It seems to have been like it’s never really been just about the picture, right? The picture might be cool, but it’s not the. Right. And so I think all of those people

00:21:47:01 – 00:21:49:19

Julian Rodriguez: in in in in

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Julian Rodriguez: this is a warehouse in Brooklyn. I think all those people in that warehouse were generally happy to be there under one call. Right. And so that that’s where I think most of this is probably going. I do see the price point of NFT may be coming down.

00:22:08:07 – 00:22:14:05

Julian Rodriguez: Right. Where it becomes more commonplace, but what we’re really doing is the volume increasing right because like

00:22:14:22 – 00:22:16:02

Julian Rodriguez: you know, in the late

00:22:16:04 – 00:22:19:15

Julian Rodriguez: 90s, Google set out to organize all of the world’s information.

00:22:20:25 – 00:22:21:19

Julian Rodriguez: If you think about

00:22:21:21 – 00:22:22:17

Julian Rodriguez: our transition to Web

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Julian Rodriguez: three, we’re going to have to

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Julian Rodriguez: do the same thing. So we’re going to take all the content and all the hours and all the time that

00:22:28:28 – 00:22:30:27

Julian Rodriguez: we spend collectively on the internet

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Julian Rodriguez: as the now be

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Julian Rodriguez: categorized and given

00:22:34:11 – 00:22:36:08

Julian Rodriguez: up to ownership, because that’s what people are saying they

00:22:36:10 – 00:22:38:24

Julian Rodriguez: want to do. They want to own, you know, take

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Julian Rodriguez: back their some digital

00:22:39:26 – 00:22:41:12

Julian Rodriguez: time to back their digital

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Julian Rodriguez: assets. Right. And so there’s going to be this is the next 25 years. Right. And so I think that projects are just going to expand into more aspects of our reality and how we spend our time digitally. And art was sort of phase one. Right. Music is sort of coming and we’re we’re seeing projects develop around that. And then everything else is our social lives, which is what Momento is trying to start with.

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Julian Rodriguez: Yeah, I think that’s a really good picture, and everything comes in different waves and layers, and you have to have some of those initial movers to get the ball rolling. I think kind of, like you said, NFT prices overall might start diminishing as far as like the relative place where it’s being traded. So, for example, like instead of buying something for

00:23:28:26 – 00:23:32:17

Julian Rodriguez: one hundred years, you might be buying it for seventy five fifty.

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Julian Rodriguez: But I think the arbitrary thing there is that like the price is most likely

00:23:35:28 – 00:23:37:11

Julian Rodriguez: going up, like, I think ETH is going

00:23:37:13 – 00:23:48:08

Julian Rodriguez: to need to go up in price. Same with Solana, same with Tesla. Same with these other places where you can start launching these NFTs. And so even though you’re spending less of the native token cost wise, you might be spending a little bit

00:23:48:10 – 00:23:48:25

Julian Rodriguez: more

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Julian Rodriguez: in the long run, but

00:23:50:08 – 00:23:51:13

Julian Rodriguez: all the same right now

00:23:51:20 – 00:23:54:29

Julian Rodriguez: as we currently are. Definitely seeing some tops. I don’t I don’t know that

00:23:55:01 – 00:23:56:18

Julian Rodriguez: we’ll necessarily get back to those

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Julian Rodriguez: in this short amount of time, but it’s exciting all the same to see

00:24:01:17 – 00:24:02:29

Julian Rodriguez: where these NFT

00:24:03:01 – 00:24:06:26

Julian Rodriguez: plays are headed. And even as you step away from entities, you

00:24:06:28 – 00:24:07:24

Julian Rodriguez: look at just the

00:24:07:26 – 00:24:09:06

Julian Rodriguez: crypto landscape, right?

00:24:09:17 – 00:24:12:06

Julian Rodriguez: How much it’s changed in

00:24:12:16 – 00:24:22:04

Julian Rodriguez: basically a decade since you’ve entered the space. What do you think will continue to be the the larger play that people should be looking at? Do you think people need to continue looking at DeFi? Do you think it’s the metaverse?

00:24:22:06 – 00:24:24:07

Julian Rodriguez: Like, what do you think is one of the next

00:24:24:09 – 00:24:26:26

Julian Rodriguez: big waves that people need to be aware of?

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Julian Rodriguez: So I would say the best way to bet on the metaverse is the relative, right, because that’s essentially what they’re really saying. They’re going to try to do is organize, you know, all of

00:24:40:27 – 00:24:41:29

Julian Rodriguez: the content

00:24:42:01 – 00:24:42:16

Julian Rodriguez: in the

00:24:42:18 – 00:24:44:00

Julian Rodriguez: metaverse through ownership.

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Julian Rodriguez: Right? And so the best way there is NFT that would say, you know, really look out for those large projects are to make a gaming right?

00:24:54:06 – 00:24:56:08

Julian Rodriguez: Imagine if Ubisoft

00:24:56:10 – 00:24:57:00

Julian Rodriguez: adopted

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Julian Rodriguez: some sort of NFT standard,

00:25:00:00 – 00:25:00:27

Julian Rodriguez: right where now

00:25:00:29 – 00:25:03:20

Julian Rodriguez: you can own, you know, things in Assassin’s Creed.

00:25:04:10 – 00:25:06:15

Julian Rodriguez: Right? I mean, people do

00:25:06:17 – 00:25:10:18

Julian Rodriguez: that like crazy, right? Imagine Grand Theft Auto, right?

00:25:10:20 – 00:25:12:12

Julian Rodriguez: I mean, we’ve been playing this

00:25:12:14 – 00:25:20:20

Julian Rodriguez: last online version for six, seven years, that same version for six, seven years. So imagine the next version, you can actually own these.

00:25:20:22 – 00:25:21:16

Julian Rodriguez: I mean, if

00:25:21:26 – 00:25:25:20

Julian Rodriguez: that would just be bonkers. And so I think that

00:25:26:17 – 00:25:27:02

Julian Rodriguez: once we

00:25:27:04 – 00:25:31:09

Julian Rodriguez: start seeing things like that happen, that it’s going to be huge, right?

00:25:32:27 – 00:25:36:07

Julian Rodriguez: Whether it’s PlayStation, Microsoft or Nintendo that manages

00:25:36:09 – 00:25:37:09

Julian Rodriguez: there, will the,

00:25:37:24 – 00:25:39:15

Julian Rodriguez: you know, game design houses.

00:25:40:27 – 00:25:46:11

Julian Rodriguez: It’s just going to be another exponential explosion. But I would say definitely focus on NFT.

00:25:46:13 – 00:25:59:09

Julian Rodriguez: They’re kind of like what Oculus is doing. People are excited about that. I’ve been with Oculus since day one. Like on my third one, my third version now. And it’s cool that you can go to bed by now and buy for a couple of hundred bucks,

00:26:00:24 – 00:26:16:12

Julian Rodriguez: but they still have a lot of work to do. I would definitely, you know that that part of the Metaverse still has a lot, a lot of work to do. And then from here to there, you know, like I mentioned before, I think we’re just going to see more companies trying to tie our Real-World experiences

00:26:18:02 – 00:26:20:11

Julian Rodriguez: and give them some sort of ownership

00:26:20:13 – 00:26:30:24

Julian Rodriguez: and utility process, right? And like what we know is that brands and artists and celebrities are really, really interested in doing this right. So they want to immortalize,

00:26:31:09 – 00:26:33:18

Julian Rodriguez: you know, their content and their collaborations

00:26:33:20 – 00:26:36:24

Julian Rodriguez: with others on the blockchain like they want to do that now.

00:26:37:03 – 00:26:39:07

Julian Rodriguez: Right. So I think

00:26:39:09 – 00:26:47:16

Julian Rodriguez: you’re just going to see a lot, a lot, a lot of content come onto the blockchain and that’s what it was designed for. Right. So, you know, we’re we’re using this mobile ledger the right way.

00:26:50:14 – 00:26:51:20

Julian Rodriguez: When it comes to Dubai,

00:26:51:22 – 00:26:53:09

Julian Rodriguez: I think the institutional

00:26:53:11 – 00:27:04:23

Julian Rodriguez: investors will just keep pouring money in. Right. I don’t know what date. I don’t even think it’s mostly like individuals, you know, but who are benefiting from Dubai, even though they should be because they can. Right?

00:27:05:04 – 00:27:06:01

Julian Rodriguez: But, you know,

00:27:06:03 – 00:27:38:29

Julian Rodriguez: I think I think more and more situations are going to feel more and more comfortable with Dubai, and the older school institutions are still going to be piling into like crypto ETFs and stuff like that, right? So you know where this is going? So bitcoin is already over $2 trillion dollars for the whole crypto market is about three right now. Gold is at 10 and gold has been around for thousands of years, like later. The growth is like insane when you really think about it. And governments keep printing more money, right? The U.S.

00:27:39:01 – 00:27:41:28

Julian Rodriguez: money needs money to finally go over 40 percent,

00:27:43:21 – 00:27:44:06

Julian Rodriguez: right?

00:27:45:18 – 00:27:57:24

Julian Rodriguez: So, you know, I think it sort of paints a clear picture of like where this is going and it’s just a matter of time until central banks start, you know, jumping into crypto and already

00:27:57:26 – 00:27:59:09

Julian Rodriguez: seen rumors of that.

00:27:59:11 – 00:28:01:06

Julian Rodriguez: And in ideas of that, you know?

00:28:03:02 – 00:28:24:20

Julian Rodriguez: Yeah, it’s going to be a terribly exciting next 50, you know, 40, 50 years, and no one is even going to remember what you know. 2013, 2015 was like that, really. So it’s going to be so incredible, right? Twenty twenty four year on, it’s just going to be it’s going to be meeting

00:28:25:00 – 00:28:34:10

Julian Rodriguez: agreed, man. But going back to your earlier statement that you made in this podcast is we’re still so early. A lot of people, so even myself, I like to talk about the next decade because I think for some people, they can’t even

00:28:34:12 – 00:28:35:11

Julian Rodriguez: wrap their head around the

00:28:35:13 – 00:28:42:17

Julian Rodriguez: next decade. But you brought up 40 or 50 years in your next 40 50 years. Crypto is still going to be here. They’re still going to be like new integrations of it. There’s going to be

00:28:43:13 – 00:28:45:15

Julian Rodriguez: so much has been built out by that

00:28:45:17 – 00:28:59:18

Julian Rodriguez: point that the next that level of where the world’s going to be, it’s just I can’t even fathom. I’ll know that anybody can. But all the same. We’re still early in this. There’s still a lot of opportunity. It’s a lot to be excited about and congratulations if you’re listening to this.

00:28:59:20 – 00:29:00:07

Julian Rodriguez: You’re early.

00:29:00:09 – 00:29:06:04

Julian Rodriguez: You’re in to find a ways to be involved. So as we kind of wrap up your mind, I always like to finish with two fun

00:29:06:06 – 00:29:07:18

Julian Rodriguez: questions the first being

00:29:07:23 – 00:29:09:13

Julian Rodriguez: with all the information you have right now.

00:29:09:28 – 00:29:11:12

Julian Rodriguez: If you could go back and impart

00:29:11:14 – 00:29:16:27

Julian Rodriguez: wisdom to yourself back in 2012 when you’re first getting in the space. What are one or two things that you would tell yourself?

00:29:18:05 – 00:29:44:14

Julian Rodriguez: Number one thing hold. Just don’t sell. You know, that is definitely without a shadow of a doubt. The number one thing I would say range as well. And I think that’s still valid now. I think bitcoin is still an excellent investment. I think it’s a good place to just like, you know, have some cash there, like if you can put in five K, even if it’s a little bit of a sacrifice and just hold there for the next decade, it’ll be it’ll be worth it.

00:29:46:09 – 00:29:47:18

Julian Rodriguez: I would say.

00:29:50:16 – 00:29:53:09

Julian Rodriguez: You know, experiment more, you know, even though I was in the thick

00:29:53:11 – 00:29:54:17

Julian Rodriguez: of it and around,

00:29:54:29 – 00:30:00:14

Julian Rodriguez: you know, incredible early projects. I wish I would have, you know, jumped him even harder.

00:30:00:25 – 00:30:02:26

Julian Rodriguez: Right? So I

00:30:02:28 – 00:30:03:29

Julian Rodriguez: had access to the

00:30:04:12 – 00:30:07:20

Julian Rodriguez: Etherium private pre ICL sale.

00:30:08:09 – 00:30:12:29

Julian Rodriguez: And you know, yeah, I didn’t want to say, but those numbers were like,

00:30:14:19 – 00:30:29:28

Julian Rodriguez: You know, I yeah, you know, I shouldn’t I shouldn’t maybe just thrown more money in terms of investment into things that I think today, today, particularly, that’s maybe a little more dubious, a little scarier now because

00:30:30:00 – 00:30:31:21

Julian Rodriguez: we’re just like over

00:30:31:27 – 00:30:33:07

Julian Rodriguez: 6000 projects

00:30:33:15 – 00:30:34:09

Julian Rodriguez: in existence.

00:30:35:25 – 00:30:36:18

Julian Rodriguez: But I think,

00:30:36:20 – 00:30:41:17

Julian Rodriguez: you know, look, I think I think what’s going to win is going to be a combination of

00:30:41:27 – 00:30:43:28

Julian Rodriguez: Silicon Valley and crypto,

00:30:44:09 – 00:30:47:29

Julian Rodriguez: right? So like people who know how to build technology, scale

00:30:48:01 – 00:30:49:09

Julian Rodriguez: businesses but are

00:30:49:11 – 00:30:55:07

Julian Rodriguez: focused on crypto versus decentralization. Right. So those people are going to be best of both

00:30:55:09 – 00:30:56:19

Julian Rodriguez: worlds and really

00:30:56:21 – 00:31:06:03

Julian Rodriguez: create things that you can bet on. Right. I’m still a little hesitant on the idea that, you know, because like, we saw that in 2017, right?

00:31:06:05 – 00:31:07:21

Julian Rodriguez: Just people in 2017,

00:31:07:23 – 00:31:08:29

Julian Rodriguez: the IPO boom, people

00:31:09:01 – 00:31:10:15

Julian Rodriguez: were just like raising money

00:31:10:20 – 00:31:31:16

Julian Rodriguez: on flashy slides, right? Slide tax and, you know. And so that proved itself right. So I think you’re going to see better, better and higher quality operators really bring their projects to life. And I would say, you know, once you see even the glimpse

00:31:31:18 – 00:31:34:03

Julian Rodriguez: of traction, whether it’d be on

00:31:34:05 – 00:31:37:03

Julian Rodriguez: the funding side or on the user growth

00:31:37:05 – 00:31:39:02

Julian Rodriguez: side, you should probably jump in.

00:31:39:27 – 00:31:41:29

Julian Rodriguez: Yeah, I think that’s some some good nuggets.

00:31:42:01 – 00:31:44:29

Julian Rodriguez: Uh, huddle. Hold on for dear life one.

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Julian Rodriguez: The other is that there’s just going to be a lot more opportunities in this space. And if you find one, put some money on it and just give it time. And uh, if you believe in the team, if you believe in what they’re ultimately trying to accomplish, you have a chance to, you know, see some pretty good ROI.

00:32:01:08 – 00:32:02:04

Julian Rodriguez: But again,

00:32:02:14 – 00:32:05:12

Julian Rodriguez: do your research, make sure it’s something that you are

00:32:05:14 – 00:32:06:29

Julian Rodriguez: confident, I’m comfortable

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Julian Rodriguez: with and just again, give yourself time. Time in the world of crypto can seem like a lifetime. Three months, three days. It seemed like a lifetime, but again, just give some stuff some years. And ultimately you typically come out on top. If you if you just give yourself a big enough time horizon. But Julian, you know, as we wrap up here, man, what is a final thought that you want to leave with all the listeners here today?

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Julian Rodriguez: So I think maybe some of this is a little outside of crypto,

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Julian Rodriguez: but yeah, I

00:32:37:26 – 00:32:38:13

Julian Rodriguez: mean, you

00:32:38:15 – 00:32:39:12

Julian Rodriguez: know, never be

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Julian Rodriguez: scared to dream, right? This was a this was an obscure project among libertarians and like Occupy Wall Street, that’s what this really was in the early days of crypto anarchists, you know, was a failure. And so, you know. The tools that were built were now sort of out there in the

00:33:06:08 – 00:33:08:25

Julian Rodriguez: world, and people can now do more

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Julian Rodriguez: productive

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Julian Rodriguez: things that we hope are sort

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Julian Rodriguez: of shaping and changing dramatically. And so I’d say, you know, don’t be scared to dream as big as you can. You know, they’re out there. Apply them in your real life strategy like whatever it is that you’re passionate

00:33:23:29 – 00:33:25:12

Julian Rodriguez: about, they can only

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Julian Rodriguez: help regulate, like literally, you know. And so, you know, you have the tools, as you know, dig in, understands, you know, some of the topics, you know, read some of the old article

00:33:37:15 – 00:33:39:23

Julian Rodriguez: and I’m a little biased to old articles.

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Julian Rodriguez: But yeah, I think,

00:33:43:26 – 00:33:44:20

Julian Rodriguez: you know, dream big.

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Julian Rodriguez: Very it’s it’s it’s what we can do. And yeah,

00:33:50:23 – 00:34:02:20

Julian Rodriguez: no, I mean, that’s a great final thought. Uh, very inspirational. It’s a good reminder that a lot of people get so wrapped up in. Trying to I don’t want to say meet the status quo or

00:34:02:25 – 00:34:03:10

Julian Rodriguez: like

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Julian Rodriguez: have aspirations of what they want to do and we’ll lose sight of it for the here and now. But keep on dreaming, keep on going after it and you might just find a way to to live

00:34:12:03 – 00:34:13:12

Julian Rodriguez: it, but you have to

00:34:13:14 – 00:34:22:15

Julian Rodriguez: keep on keeping on and letting that dream exist. So thank you for that great final thought. Julian, what are ways that people can learn more about Memento and connect with you?

00:34:23:02 – 00:34:28:26

Julian Rodriguez: Yeah. So you get everyone here, you your audience should her go to our website. Sign up

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Julian Rodriguez: to

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Julian Rodriguez: our mailing list and more mental MLM, NATO

00:34:35:13 – 00:34:36:18

Julian Rodriguez: and FT.com.

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Julian Rodriguez: And you can find me on Twitter. So technically, we’re still in stealth mode. But yeah, Twitter is our product, underscored J.

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Julian Rodriguez: So, yeah, you know,

00:34:49:16 – 00:34:51:26

Julian Rodriguez: excited to have you guys on board

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Julian Rodriguez: and

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Julian Rodriguez: bring you the moments that matter to you.

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Julian Rodriguez: Excellent. Well, Jillian, we’re excited to see what ultimately happens with momentum. I know I’m going to be signing up for that newsletter list. And we appreciate you spend some time with us

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