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Richard Carthon: Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Crypto Current. Your host here, Richard Carthon. And today I have a special guest all the way out in North London, working on a project

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Richard Carthon: that I know that I’m

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Richard Carthon: excited to learn

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Richard Carthon: more about. We have Dave with Pluto Digital.

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Richard Carthon: How are you doing today?

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Dave Burrells: I’m good. Thank you. How are you?

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Richard Carthon: Man, I’m amazing. You know, as we get closer to the end of the year, I’m pretty hype about what’s to come in the future of crypto. You know, I think there might be a little bit of a cool off, but you know,

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Richard Carthon: better times aren’t bad. It’s a good

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Richard Carthon: time to

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Richard Carthon: build. And it’s also

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Richard Carthon: a great time for DeFi, which I believe Pluto is a DeFi play. So I’m excited to learn more about that. Before I do, though, I want to learn more about you. So give us some background on yourself.

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Dave Burrells: Sure. So I side being boring doing accounts,

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Dave Burrells: but

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Dave Burrells: then quickly transitioned

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Dave Burrells: from that,

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Dave Burrells: having to come in at five in the morning

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Dave Burrells: and process these trains. I didn’t want to do

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Dave Burrells: that forever, so I learned how to automate the process, learn how to code

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Dave Burrells: to build that

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Dave Burrells: automated system. It went crazy from there.

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Dave Burrells: After coding for

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Dave Burrells: that, he is like going into product

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Dave Burrells: and eventually left. The big companies

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Dave Burrells: like JPMorgan got into the SAS world to stop World Bank through A.I. and eventually started getting into crypto. Nice.

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Richard Carthon: I mean, to automate your trades. That’s a big undertaking to take that

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Richard Carthon: step and say, like, I’m a figure this

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Richard Carthon: out and see how I can make my

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Richard Carthon: life easier. And then even to do that

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Richard Carthon: from the traditional world into now the world of crypto, that is twenty 24 hours. I mean, I’m sure that even that was even bigger jump, right?

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Dave Burrells: It was, yeah, I was driven by being lazy.

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Dave Burrells: I think I wanted to get out.

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Dave Burrells: I didn’t want to get out of bed so

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Dave Burrells: early and I didn’t

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Dave Burrells: like being told that it couldn’t be done. So I was determined to try and find a way of improving.

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Dave Burrells: And I think

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Dave Burrells: that’s driven me ever since just trying

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Dave Burrells: to find a better, more efficient

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Dave Burrells: ways of doing

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Dave Burrells: things. And yeah, and I think

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Dave Burrells: that’s probably what a lot of the philosophies are around crypto and all around DeFi,

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Dave Burrells: right? I mean, a lot of innovation happens around, how do I simplify things and

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Dave Burrells: have to do less work to get maximum efficiency, right?

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Richard Carthon: But even talking about that right you. Learn how to start doing some automated trading.

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Richard Carthon: But if you

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Richard Carthon: leave the traditional world, you know,

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Richard Carthon: JPMorgan is start

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Richard Carthon: looking more to the world of cryptos, like what was that first introduction to the crypto space?

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Richard Carthon: So I vaguely remember reading about or maybe even reading or listening to something

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Richard Carthon: about

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Dave Burrells: bitcoin in 2011 2010, and it sounded interesting and you could

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invest in it. But.

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There was no real easy way of getting your money in and out, and I didn’t have any money, so I wasn’t going to start risking it on something like bitcoin because it sounded like a crazy idea.

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What a fool I was.

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You know, the way I try to pitch it to people and I always try to bring that up is you don’t have to put in everything, you don’t have to put in an extravagant amount of money to get started and then see, have that be the fuel that gives you some of the initial capital to then

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start investing even more so

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once you learn more?

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Yeah, I

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didn’t think I had anything to take a risk with then. So looking back on it now, I

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think I should have had more hindsight again

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right now. But all good. But I mean,

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again, so you learn

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about it early and then now you start to transition into what has now become a Pluto digital. So can you tell us about that story

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of what was the vision

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behind

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it and what are

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you ultimately trying to build?

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So Pluto Digital is a technology that crypto technology and operations company. We’ve got a few different divisions.

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We’ve got our feeder ventures, which looks at getting involved

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Dave Burrells: in blockchain technology companies. We’ve got the metaverse company, which is on fire right now, getting involved in so many different things. But then there’s the the I am heavily involved in, which is a

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Richard Carthon: DeFi division, which is about to

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Dave Burrells: launch a new

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Richard Carthon: one that Coolio.

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Richard Carthon: All right. Let’s learn more about that, so what is your

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Dave Burrells: so is a yield optimization

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Richard Carthon: platform, and what it’s

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Dave Burrells: going to do is it’s going to take your cryptocurrency

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Richard Carthon: and the three different

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Dave Burrells: protocols so you can earn

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Richard Carthon: yield on it.

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Dave Burrells: So it’s for

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Richard Carthon: native

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Richard Carthon: DeFi users, and I think this is

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Richard Carthon: something that sits in

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Richard Carthon: a space

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Richard Carthon: we see.

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Richard Carthon: I think there’s a lot of yield platforms out there, the probably like 1980s video games. They’re probably not the sexiest user interface, but

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Richard Carthon: they they

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Richard Carthon: will get drawn to them because they give you good

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Richard Carthon: returns that there’s a lot of a

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Richard Carthon: lot of money to be made. I think because the other end of the scale where you might get a bit more of a sexy

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Richard Carthon: UI, everything feels

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Richard Carthon: a lot

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Richard Carthon: cleaner.

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Richard Carthon: But they’re going to say where the yield might be coming from, what they’re doing with the different protocols.

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Richard Carthon: And I

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Richard Carthon: think that

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Richard Carthon: might cut off

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Richard Carthon: some of the people

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Richard Carthon: that just want to know

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Richard Carthon: what’s going on behind the

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Richard Carthon: scenes.

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Richard Carthon: And we we sort of slap bang in the middle of that where we are trying to be as transparent as

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Richard Carthon: possible to give you

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Richard Carthon: that comfortable user experience as well.

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Richard Carthon: Excellent. So here the goal

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Richard Carthon: is to have easy user onboarding and obviously is a user

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Richard Carthon: of boarding. How do you

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Richard Carthon: usually a big challenge within the world of

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Richard Carthon: defies one being

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Richard Carthon: able to have a bunch of different protocols you can get into and to get the maximum yield right? So if you’re aggregating a lot of that

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Richard Carthon: together, you know, is there like a projection

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Richard Carthon: of how many different

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Richard Carthon: types of

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Richard Carthon: cryptos people would be able to get into?

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Richard Carthon: So I got

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Richard Carthon: too much detail. It’s all going to be coming out in the way anyway. But what I can say is we’ll have loads of smart contracts which will contain multiple strategies and the users can come in see what the projected yields are on these different strategies and then can allocate that crypto into the different votes.

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Richard Carthon: Nice.

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Richard Carthon: OK, so so basically, there’s going to be different kind of I don’t say tiers,

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Richard Carthon: but different types of ways that they could get in and they get different types of

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Richard Carthon: rewards based on their risk tolerance

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Richard Carthon: or what type of cryptos

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Richard Carthon: they would want to be rewarded.

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Richard Carthon: Exactly. And we’ll use auto rebalancing to ensure they’re getting the maximize you.

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Richard Carthon: Excellent. So with that, you know, a big challenge

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Richard Carthon: in the DeFi world, of

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Richard Carthon: course, is security

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Richard Carthon: and making sure that if I’m

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Richard Carthon: going to be

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Richard Carthon: taking my asset

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Richard Carthon: and giving it to another

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Richard Carthon: protocol

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Richard Carthon: or et cetera, that

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Richard Carthon: I will have the ability to get it

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Richard Carthon: back. What are some of the

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Richard Carthon: things around security that you all are putting in place?

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Richard Carthon: So we’ve got I mean, we take security

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Richard Carthon: very

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Richard Carthon: seriously. We’ve got a risk score

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Richard Carthon: that is a Pluto property piece of tech that we’re building now and that will be used to calculate risk, ensure that

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Richard Carthon: we are using variable

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Richard Carthon: to ensure that we’ve got a proper risk calculation done on the strategies that we’re putting in place.

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Richard Carthon: So we’re making

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Richard Carthon: sure that we’re not just going to throw in the latest thing that someone’s been sent on Twitter

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Richard Carthon: or

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Richard Carthon: Discord and go and go after that. We want to get stability. We think it’s going to be around for a long

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Richard Carthon: time, so we

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Richard Carthon: need to look after our reputation and not

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Richard Carthon: make stupid bets.

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Richard Carthon: But on the other side of that, we’ve

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Richard Carthon: and again, we have

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Richard Carthon: the smart contracts of

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Richard Carthon: putting together. They’re all getting audited by reps

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Richard Carthon: for external companies. We don’t we don’t want to just fire. Forget we can.

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Richard Carthon: We take take it seriously.

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Richard Carthon: We want to make sure

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Richard Carthon: that everything is

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Richard Carthon: is properly.

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Richard Carthon: The people that have been around the

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Richard Carthon: block have seen lots of smart

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Richard Carthon: contracts. They’re getting it all

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Richard Carthon: checked out and then we want to make sure that we’re taking all the necessary steps with any coming and a legal thing coming around the corner for DeFi.

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Richard Carthon: So now we’re being very

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Richard Carthon: careful with what we’re setting out, making sure

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Richard Carthon: that

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Richard Carthon: we’re looking at what we’re doing and making sure that sensible anyway. But then we’re getting these things double checked, triple check to make sure that we can not miss anything.

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Richard Carthon: There’s no red

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Richard Carthon: flags, nothing. We’re going to be cool on.

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Richard Carthon: So yeah, we want to make sure that

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Richard Carthon: every single

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Richard Carthon: part of operation is is bulletproof, right?

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Richard Carthon: And that’s very crucial, especially as unfortunately, a lot of hacks that have happened this year have been in the DeFi space. And so security is always going to be the utmost importance.

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Richard Carthon: And you know, another thing

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Richard Carthon: that I want to just unpack here is the importance of DeFi

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Richard Carthon: and

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Richard Carthon: potential bearish times. So we’ve

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Richard Carthon: seen a tremendous year in the world of

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Richard Carthon: crypto this

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Richard Carthon: year, and it

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Richard Carthon: appears

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Richard Carthon: as we wind down

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Richard Carthon: 2021

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Richard Carthon: that we’re

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Richard Carthon: starting to see some people

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Richard Carthon: take some profits and there’s a

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Richard Carthon: chance that we still might see a

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Richard Carthon: final run up to in the year.

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Richard Carthon: Let’s go into the next quarter, but we also could just see it cool off. Why do do you believe or do you think that defies a good way to hedge against when these moments happen in the space?

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Richard Carthon: Yeah, I mean, we used to see you when the markets crashed, everything would jump into gold or something like that. The dollar would get strong if the markets crash. Bitcoin is seeing that sort of

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Richard Carthon: the sort of

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Richard Carthon: safe haven. Every time there’s a bear market, it’s not as weak as the previous one. No, we start panicking. I think a year ago, was it

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Richard Carthon: less than twenty thousand dollars

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Richard Carthon: for, you know, and then was panicking now because it’s a 40 odd?

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Richard Carthon: And then before that we were just saying,

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Richard Carthon: Oh, if we can get through 50 and now because it’s not a 50 of us panicking.

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Richard Carthon: But you see the noise in social media. Everyone seems to have a crystal ball and says, Oh, you know, the

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Richard Carthon: market’s about to

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Richard Carthon: end or it’s going to do this is going to do that.

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Richard Carthon: The predictions are they’re on a crazy, I think. What we can see is there is a trend and it’s going on up to the right and that that’s totally positive. I think you’re seeing a lot of different uses for

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Richard Carthon: crypto that are coming to

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Richard Carthon: the market is getting taken more seriously. A lot of big players, big companies are getting involved.

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Richard Carthon: It’s it’s getting on

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Richard Carthon: more people’s radars.

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Richard Carthon: It’s just it’s just it’s just starting to make sense for a lot more people. It’s no longer

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Richard Carthon: that crazy

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Richard Carthon: idea that seemed like something that could be this rebellious, anti-establishment thing.

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Richard Carthon: It’s now becoming the establishment. You know, you talked about

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Richard Carthon: banks getting involved.

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Richard Carthon: Jamie Dimon is not

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Richard Carthon: a big fan of bitcoin, but he says that JP Morgan will get involved in it because their clients want it. So they

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Richard Carthon: got pension.

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Richard Carthon: Right to that point, I think part of the hesitation for a lot of these larger institutions has been around regulation and not have been clear guidelines and understanding what that looks like. But I think

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Richard Carthon: once we turn that corner, we see the floodgates open personally, and that’s what I think.

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Richard Carthon: But you know, what do you think is going to be crucial for regulation as we go into the future of crypto?

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Richard Carthon: I think the way I see regulation, this is why veto and you’ll take seriously is coming.

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Richard Carthon: I think a lot of early

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Dave Burrells: stage start ups, DeFi Crypto are

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Richard Carthon: probably not

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Dave Burrells: focused on it as much as they should be, because I think when it comes, I think a lot of

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Richard Carthon: these players

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Richard Carthon: are not going to have the time, the resource, the

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Richard Carthon: knowledge, the finances to back

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Dave Burrells: up what the SCC or the FCA can throw at them. It will come like a freight train

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Richard Carthon: and it’s going to be there’s going is going

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Richard Carthon: to put so

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Richard Carthon: many people on their

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Richard Carthon: ass and it’s going to leave,

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Richard Carthon: you know, very few out there.

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Dave Burrells: Not only that. On the flipside of that, if you look at how retail in your established and we need to make sure we’re we’re rock solid, that’s why we take security and everything so seriously.

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Richard Carthon: When the SEC

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Dave Burrells: regulates the, you know, the market, all of a sudden there are going to be so many new players coming in in the US, for example,

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Richard Carthon: because there’s suddenly no the

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Dave Burrells: beta the old we can operate in. The SEC is not me. I can now get on with that.

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Dave Burrells: Exactly, and I believe

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Richard Carthon: all there’s a tremendous amount of

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Richard Carthon: money sitting waiting for that moment because as soon as they can de-risk a lot of the high profile, unfortunately of the traditional world does not like

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Richard Carthon: to

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Richard Carthon: delve into

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Richard Carthon: the unknown because they don’t have to.

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Richard Carthon: Luckily, they’re in a market where they know the rules and they can stay in those

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Richard Carthon: rules and do very well and not have to

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Richard Carthon: rock the market. But for a lot of these people, even if you were to take one percent of their

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Richard Carthon: allocation and then have to explain how half of that one percent went down 60 percent

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Richard Carthon: because

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Richard Carthon: crypto did that day, they don’t even want to

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Richard Carthon: deal with

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Richard Carthon: that kind of headache. But as soon as they can

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Richard Carthon: understand the rules of engagement

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Richard Carthon: within how this is

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Richard Carthon: going to operate from a regulatory standpoint,

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Richard Carthon: they’re going to jump all

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Richard Carthon: over this. They’re just there waiting for the moment.

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Richard Carthon: And I think that that’s the challenge we’ve had as well from.

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Dave Burrells: I think anyone’s greatest strength is usually their greatest weakness. I think one of our greatest strengths is how seriously we take seriously. It turns into a weakness for us because it slows us down because we

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Richard Carthon: don’t know what the

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Dave Burrells: goalposts are. So we’re covering all the bases for security. It would be nice to be told that over there, this is what it looks like.

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Richard Carthon: Deal with that. Rather than just

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Dave Burrells: guessing

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Richard Carthon: to make sure that we’ve got everything covered

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Dave Burrells: and makes

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Richard Carthon: it a lot harder

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Dave Burrells: to operate,

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Richard Carthon: it closes

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Dave Burrells: down and you just don’t want to. You don’t be slow in the crypto world. Everything happens so

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Richard Carthon: fast you need to be

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Dave Burrells: careful and

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Richard Carthon: we need to need to. We need

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Dave Burrells: security when we need the regulations to come in as well, because

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Richard Carthon: to attract the

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Dave Burrells: some of the major, the major money, people need to be able to know they can trust that

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Richard Carthon: people are still

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Dave Burrells: scared of rogue pools. Or is this

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Richard Carthon: legit?

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Dave Burrells: Are you a are you

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Richard Carthon: a a company?

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Dave Burrells: This is going to take my money and vanish

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Richard Carthon: if there was more regulation

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Dave Burrells: around it than

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Richard Carthon: these people are going to

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Richard Carthon: feel more secure, putting their money into it. So you see regulation come. It was the market of a moral

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Richard Carthon: panic and then they’ll

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Richard Carthon: come back even stronger and they’ll say the.

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Richard Carthon: Right. Yemen is it’s only a matter of time, not if it’s when. And I feel like we’re getting closer

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Richard Carthon: to the win, which is which is nice and you know on

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Richard Carthon: that.

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Richard Carthon: When is the app coming out?

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Richard Carthon: Because I know a lot of people are pretty excited to check that out.

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Richard Carthon: So, yeah, so the white paper will be out in

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Richard Carthon: hopefully should be January. I’m going to get shot by saying

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Richard Carthon: that

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Richard Carthon: because

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Richard Carthon: I’m sure you should be definitely 100 percent going to the

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Richard Carthon: private launch. So we have a private launch for

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Richard Carthon: the yacht coming out

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Richard Carthon: following the white paper.

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Richard Carthon: It should be, you know,

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Richard Carthon: weeks later, weeks after the

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Richard Carthon: white paper, and

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Richard Carthon: that would be accessible if you have a

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Richard Carthon: job and NFT,

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Richard Carthon: which you can get on the secondary market

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Richard Carthon: through see. And then

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Richard Carthon: following that will have the public launch, which again,

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Richard Carthon: should be a matter of

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Richard Carthon: weeks following the private launch. And then, yeah, then it’s open

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Richard Carthon: to the public.

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Richard Carthon: And that is that is just Israel.

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Richard Carthon: It’s all right. It’s right.

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Richard Carthon: We’re going to be constantly

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Richard Carthon: adding new

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Richard Carthon: strategies, adding new exchanges, getting on to new blockchains. Yeah, we don’t see this as a fire and forget asshole. No, we have a list of new features that we’re constantly looking to add to this. We’ve had that workshop last week in London with guys, our developers all over in Ireland. They all came over to London with a two day workshop.

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Richard Carthon: We’ve got a list

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Richard Carthon: of things now that are pretty going to keep us busy till next five years. So we are we are not going to run out of things to

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Richard Carthon: do and get involved

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Richard Carthon: in

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Richard Carthon: in York.

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Richard Carthon: Then you’re just going to constantly

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Richard Carthon: see new

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Richard Carthon: things coming out, but are just going to boost that token

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Richard Carthon: because the more features, the more

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Richard Carthon: incentives,

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Richard Carthon: the more partnerships that

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Richard Carthon: we get involved with, the more utility that token has and the more reason that you have for holding it.

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Richard Carthon: Yeah, for sure,

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Richard Carthon: and like you said, more

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Richard Carthon: utility, the better, right and on that you

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Richard Carthon: bought the fact that

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Richard Carthon: if you owned a shop and if

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Richard Carthon: you could be one of the early users. So I’ve seen that that’s been a strategy for a couple different people. It incentivizes early

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Richard Carthon: adopters and also

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Richard Carthon: lets them kind of test things out. So like you said, if if someone’s listening to this right now, they can go to OpenSea, find that NFT and then they will be able to have early access to this.

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Richard Carthon: And even if you think you’ve missed the boat, there’s no cut

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Richard Carthon: off for that.

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Richard Carthon: So even during the

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Richard Carthon: private launch, we will know if you can

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Richard Carthon: see after

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Richard Carthon: the launch date you can get access

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Richard Carthon: to their

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Richard Carthon: businesses. We we realized

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Richard Carthon: that we want to continue driving the value

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Richard Carthon: for them. So after the public launch, they’re still going to have value.

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Richard Carthon: They’ll get access to dedicated boats

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Richard Carthon: or early access to

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Richard Carthon: boats, so

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Richard Carthon: you can benefit from

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Richard Carthon: the lower your users and in the higher increase in yield. So we we’re really

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Richard Carthon: looking we believe in utility, and I think

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Richard Carthon: that’s the thing. So a point I made earlier. There’s a

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Richard Carthon: lot of projects

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Richard Carthon: out there that just want some many coins and make

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Richard Carthon: money. We’re planning on being

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Richard Carthon: around for a

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Richard Carthon: long time, many,

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Richard Carthon: many

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Richard Carthon: years. And that’s not

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Richard Carthon: going to happen by just making a load of coins

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Richard Carthon: and buying them out

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Richard Carthon: there. We need to make sure they have a use,

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Richard Carthon: they have utility and the people

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Richard Carthon: really see the value in holding

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Richard Carthon: these

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Richard Carthon: and how we can

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Richard Carthon: work with other

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Richard Carthon: partners to really drive value for us.

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Richard Carthon: Definitely. And one more

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Richard Carthon: question just on on the subject of of, you brought up

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Richard Carthon: all of the different types of

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Richard Carthon: protocols that you’re going to be built on, what is what is the base level

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Richard Carthon: protocol that you all are

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Richard Carthon: built on? And then what kind of other

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Richard Carthon: chains do you see?

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Richard Carthon: You have been able to interoperate with

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Richard Carthon: so we don’t work with?

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Richard Carthon: And some of the main things that made protocols and we’re looking at as far as other chains and finance is always one that keeps getting bandied around.

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Richard Carthon: I think it’s going

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Richard Carthon: to depend

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Richard Carthon: on if 2.0

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Richard Carthon: DeFi is very different to a lot of a lot of the metaverse

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Richard Carthon: in that in that respect, because this area

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Richard Carthon: is where the

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Richard Carthon: liquidity is. So it’s very

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Richard Carthon: difficult to go and build a DeFi project on another chain and then be out of the

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Richard Carthon: blocks without that outlet liquidity.

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Richard Carthon: But once that

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Richard Carthon: gas fee, assuming that

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Richard Carthon: gas fee comes down,

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Richard Carthon: assuming hopefully

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Richard Carthon: they touch it

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Richard Carthon: is going to be interesting to see how the other two chains react. Because you know, they’re getting they’re getting the publicity at the moment because of the cheap prices and the speed and that sort of thing. But are they fast because of their design or they fast because of the lack of users on them?

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Richard Carthon: So it’s hard to tell without you can’t do the load testing from beyond the Apollo test. Without the load you can be

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Richard Carthon: you can simulate,

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Richard Carthon: but it’s not going to give you a proper test. So I’m really curious to see where ETH 2.0

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Richard Carthon: takes us, and if that

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Richard Carthon: is, if that has the desired

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Richard Carthon: effect and it

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Richard Carthon: reduces the gas fees.

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Richard Carthon: And it’d

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Richard Carthon: be interesting to see how

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Richard Carthon: much how much people

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Richard Carthon: shouting for all these other chains. Because the liquidity in Ethereum, we realize at the moment the gas fees are a real turnoff.

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Richard Carthon: Huge turn off again,

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Richard Carthon: where in the world would you go if you went to the bank and said, Hey, I want to take our 50 bucks and say, Yeah, that’ll be 150?

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Richard Carthon: And you’re like, Yeah, that’s fine.

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Richard Carthon: It’s just it’s absurd, man, and they’ve got to fix it. I’m hopeful because I really think that there’s an amazing

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Richard Carthon: chain like you said, like it’s

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Richard Carthon: been stress test. But the problem with the stress test is that it’s

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Richard Carthon: failing because it’s making it

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Richard Carthon: exclusive to people who have a ton of

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Richard Carthon: money. But like you said, for

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Richard Carthon: these other chains, yes, it’s fat

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Richard Carthon: or yes, it’s

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Richard Carthon: cheaper and

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Richard Carthon: faster, but it hasn’t been stress tests, truly.

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Richard Carthon: So we’ll find out, right? We’re all going to find out in real time, but I’m eager to see how this all shakes out.

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Richard Carthon: But yeah,

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Richard Carthon: I think we’ve got to be realistic at the end of the day, the area and even if it is fast, there’s going to be desire from people to want to use other chains.

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Richard Carthon: But then we’ve got to be careful because,

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Richard Carthon: you know, there was there was a front end attack on a budget on a day that wasn’t even a blockchain attack, it was a front end attack. You hear about these exploits from Beijing. So we’ve got to make sure that we are going to start going across chain that is bulletproof again. You start adding all this in, it just adds more

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Richard Carthon: risks and

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Richard Carthon: we’re not risk averse. We just we just want to be sure that we’re we’re protecting our users, protecting our community. So it’s got to be we’ve got to do it properly.

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Richard Carthon: So adding these bridges

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Richard Carthon: into these new these new chains is going to be something we would take very seriously when we do.

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Richard Carthon: For sure. And I think that is great that you all are

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Richard Carthon: looking at all that and covering all your bases. So thanks for sharing all that insight, man. But as we wrap up

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Richard Carthon: here, always in with two fun

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Richard Carthon: questions.

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Richard Carthon: The first of which is with all of the knowledge that you’ve been able to gain

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Richard Carthon: over the years of being in the

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Richard Carthon: space, if you could go and parts

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Richard Carthon: one or two pieces of wisdom to yourself when you

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Richard Carthon: first got in.

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Richard Carthon: What would you tell yourself

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Richard Carthon: to

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Richard Carthon: take more risks? I think.

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Richard Carthon: Like I said earlier about the

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Richard Carthon: lifting a bitcoin at that

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Richard Carthon: price level, regardless of the price, just not getting involved because it just seemed like something the. Was it to out there?

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Richard Carthon: I think you’ve got to take more risks and believe

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Richard Carthon: in yourself a bit more. I think I definitely would have done more of that when I was younger. I do more of it now.

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Richard Carthon: But yeah,

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Richard Carthon: it’s something I wish I had started doing at a younger age. Right.

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Richard Carthon: OK. Well, that’s definitely a good piece of advice on that. And man, what is a final

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Richard Carthon: thought that you want to leave

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Richard Carthon: with all the listeners here today?

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Richard Carthon: I think it’s

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Richard Carthon: a final thought. I would say the.

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Richard Carthon: I would get involved with the OP right now, because

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Richard Carthon: at the moment we have a very

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Richard Carthon: low price and it’s not going to be there for much longer.

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Richard Carthon: We’re about to go to the Moon. We’re about to go

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Richard Carthon: crazy and once that starts.

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Richard Carthon: I know that people are here saying that they got left behind or they

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Richard Carthon: missed, they missed this,

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Richard Carthon: so miss that. Don’t miss this opportunity. You’re not going to be huge.

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Richard Carthon: Well, that’s a good final thought

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Richard Carthon: to listen when for all of those who

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Richard Carthon: just heard that and like, yep, I need to jump on this, what are ways that

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Richard Carthon: people can learn

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Richard Carthon: more about it?

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Richard Carthon: So there’s the

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Richard Carthon: finance website,

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Richard Carthon: the moment it’s just a revised landing page, but we’re about to launch the new website in January as

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Richard Carthon: well. You can also

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Richard Carthon: find us

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Richard Carthon: on Telegram and Discord. There are the main platforms

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Richard Carthon: as well, and of course, Twitter. Yeah, and if you want to hear more from me, I’m Deborah was on Twitter.

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Richard Carthon: Perfect. And we’ll make sure to

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Richard Carthon: add those links down in the show notes. But again, Dave, thank you so much for spending some time

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Richard Carthon: with us dropping all that

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Richard Carthon: knowledge. I know that I feel more informed after this conversation and of course, for everyone listening.

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Richard Carthon: Stay cryptocurrency.

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Richard Carthon: Hey, cryptocurrency crew. We want to give a quick shout out to all of our faithful listeners out there. It’s been an amazing journey and we really appreciate your support

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Richard Carthon: throughout the years as we’ve been

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Richard Carthon: growing as a community. Each episode, we decided that we would start sharing some of the reviews that you were leaving for us. For today, we would like to share this review. Today’s review comes from Pirate Em, who said This podcast is great. I didn’t know that much about cryptocurrency before I started

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Richard Carthon: listening, but now I feel great.

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Richard Carthon: The topics covered in guest are all fantastic. Additionally, the information is easy

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Richard Carthon: to understand, even if you aren’t

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Richard Carthon: that well versed because of how entertaining the whole show is. We sincerely appreciate this review and all reviews and would like to ask that if you’re enjoying our show, please take a quick moment to go and leave a review on our podcast so that hopefully we can be highlighting your review next. Simply go to our show notes or go to our website where we have a link, where you can share your review today. Hey, everyone, I hope you enjoyed today’s episode.

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Richard Carthon: I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the quality of our podcast each week are improving.

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Richard Carthon: thank my amazing producer Andrew Darida with the Ritter Productions, who has been putting all of this together. If you have any podcast music or audio needs, please go to Ritter Productions dot com. That’s D-R.I. TR Productions dot com.

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Richard Carthon: Thanks for tuning into another episode of Crypto Crime with Richard Condon. We’ll be back with more exciting developments from the world of blockchain and cryptocurrency next week. But until then, stay cryptocurrency.

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