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00:00:02:27 – 00:00:19:14

Richard Carthon: Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of Crypto Current your host here with Richar dCarthon. And today I have a special guest all the way out from Puerto Rico. But doing some traveling out in Spain for a really cool conference, we have the CEO and founder Dan of Obsidian. How are you doing today?

00:00:21:16 – 00:00:28:24

Dan Edlebeck: Hey, what’s going on? Richard, thanks so much for having me on cryptocurrency. I’m great, man. Enjoying Espana? Yeah. Barcelona tomorrow.

00:00:29:18 – 00:00:39:07

Richard Carthon: Oh, excellent, Manuel. Excited to learn about everything you got going on with the city. So before we do that, first one to learn more about you. Here, give us some background on yourself.

00:00:40:02 – 00:01:12:22

Dan Edlebeck: Yeah. No, thanks, Rich. So I’ve been in the crypto space since the middle of 2017. It’s been. It’s crazy. It’s almost five years now. It’s been a whirlwind. Yeah, I’ve worked for a few different companies. Salt lending was lending protocol. One of the early ones back in the day, kind of before they took off. And I worked with them on marketing and community and building a lot of their channels. And then I worked with BLOCK Party, which was an NFT ticketing platform, and I’ve always been involved in the crypto space and from early on I was involved with Sentinel.

00:01:13:02 – 00:01:45:09

Dan Edlebeck: And Sentinel is a bandwidth marketplace for people that have decentralized VPN. So rich, for example, you can offer your bandwidth to this global network and then I can be routing my traffic through your IP address and get decentralized VPN on. And so being involved with signal from early on and from actually to the end of 2017 to participate in their initial ICO. I’m an active community member. I was also and I was serving in the Peace Corps actually at the time in Costa Rica.

00:01:46:06 – 00:02:04:03

Dan Edlebeck: And then I went on to do my MBA. And then after graduating MBA, I founded Auxilio with my co-founder Srinivas. And so video is the company building on the social network. And then prior to my time in crypto, I spent most of my career in the non-profit and social impact space.

00:02:04:18 – 00:02:37:02

Richard Carthon: Wow. So quite a robust background from doing the nonprofit work, doing some, you know, the Peace Corps work and then finding your way into crypto in STEM in 2017 which you know, fun ride up for your first like major bull cycle that a lot of people became more aware of crypto. And then you also got to see the bear market. You got to see some of the downside before where you are now in this current bull cycle, if you will. And we’re seeing the ebbs and flows of this with you being in the marketing community side.

00:02:37:20 – 00:03:23:04

Richard Carthon: If you know how to survive during a bear market like a true bear market, like we saw and know what it takes to build that kind of community, you it’s it’s easy to build stuff when things are going great, right? It’s a challenge and you really see who’s around for the long haul. Doing some more of those are dormant in bearish times. When you think about the timing of equity and the community building and putting this all together, do you think the the timing of of you kind of like launching this was ideal? Where when when did you actually launch CDO? And and how would you describe that process of of using experiences from these other crypto companies that you worked with in in using those lessons for?

00:03:23:07 – 00:04:00:25

Dan Edlebeck: ZEDILLO Yeah. Well, I to your point, Richard, I think there’s never a perfect time. Right? Right. And you have to believe in what you’re building and you have to put in the effort and the work. I don’t think that necessarily the best projects are always the ones that succeed, only because they were founded at the right time. The projects that succeed are ones that fight through bear markets, that figure things out. So, you know, are they is a great example. It was initially called ETH Land and it was more of a centralized entity and they decentralized their operations and they weren’t fully on chain and they continue to develop.

00:04:00:27 – 00:04:39:14

Dan Edlebeck: And Stan Stanley, the founder of Are they stuck in there and continue to build? And that was what ended up being the success of it. And now obviously even in Defi all across, Defi has had, you know, you could say at least the valuations of the tokens and the usage has gone down a lot, but they could give up now or they could continue to build and continue to make sure that they have runway and they have the right resources and they’re going to succeed long term. And then when on a global scale, adoption continues to increase for using borrowing lending protocols are they will be there and have all the things the infrastructure in place for, you know, more users to come.

00:04:39:24 – 00:05:06:02

Dan Edlebeck: And I think auxilio we’re definitely the same way. The Seattle network was founded in the beginning of 2018, but there was no face for the organization. It was kind of anonymous developers. It was really disparate, kind of true to crypto roots, like people across the world contributing in different and different aspects, but no lead developer and no kind of like face of the project. And we realized that for succeed it’s going to need to have

00:05:07:25 – 00:05:39:05

Richard Carthon: and for a be able to get an institutional adoption it’s going to need to have a name. It’s going to be able to have the right legal structure. It’s going to need to have an entity that’s building products that’s separate operating company. Then just the foundation. That’s the. The network. And so in 2020 we founded Auxilio and it was early 2020. So Srinivas and I came together in like March, April time and technically we founded the company in September was when it legally got incorporated September of 2020.

00:05:39:07 – 00:06:00:08

Richard Carthon: So yeah, we’ve seen incredible growth. Our products are live right now. So what is video? We’re building VPN products like you know and you know and love today, except the videos, VPN products are provably and and encrypted and they’re decentralized. So there’s no company that can log your data. So, rich, I don’t know if you use it. Do you VPN regularly?

00:06:00:25 – 00:06:01:10

Richard Carthon: I do.

00:06:01:23 – 00:06:04:09

Richard Carthon: Okay. And what VPN is

00:06:05:26 – 00:06:35:26

Dan Edlebeck: torguard? Okay. Yeah. So there’s tons of different VPN companies out there and actually a lot of them are not independent companies. A lot of them are run by, you know, there’s parent companies that are or or owning a lot of these front end companies that we use today are from and brands. And it’s a very centralized kind of oligopoly, oligopoly industry. And a lot of these companies say, you know, that they don’t log data and that that all of your information is secure.

00:06:36:24 – 00:07:15:10

Dan Edlebeck: But that’s not always the case. And it’s pretty crazy because we’re using a VPN, right, to get privacy online and to be able to get access to content we couldn’t otherwise write. And we’re not relying on the VPN to give us that privacy so that our our Internet service provider, you know, Verizon or Comcast or whoever can’t be logging our data. But then we’re just using a VPN company and the VPN company can be locking our data. That’s actually been proven many times over that these companies are doing that. So, Alexia, we’re building the same VPN products that people know and love and use, and we have them live on Android and iPhone and iPhone and we have one on Linux and we’re building out desktop applications.

00:07:16:13 – 00:07:28:01

Dan Edlebeck: But the same VPN products that we use today on Bill Dunning video or using Auxilio are on a peer to peer network. So even at myself, a CEO of video, I can’t log your data if I want it.

00:07:29:16 – 00:07:30:06

Richard Carthon: That’s a really

00:07:31:21 – 00:08:16:21

Richard Carthon: solid point that I hadn’t really thought about before. Right. So the like you said, the point of a VPN is to provide access to website addresses and do things that you typically wouldn’t have access to. However, just because you’re doing that doesn’t mean that the VPN company that you’re using, is it still logging your data and can still have a paper trail of all the places that you’re going and and getting some insights into what you’re doing. So what NATO has done is allow for true, uh, VPN, if you will, to where you don’t have to worry about what you’re doing within the VPN being monitored, tracked and on standby to be able to be sold to somebody else or be given to someone else.

00:08:17:09 – 00:08:49:16

Dan Edlebeck: You got it, Rich. It’s exactly right. And whatever they want to do with that, that information, you know, they can do, whether it’s selling it or giving it to authorities or, you know, might go on a black market or whatever, you know. But with using Auxilio, you can download the application on Google Play or on iOS, or you can put it on your computer on, you know, on Linux, or you can download the root file directly on GitHub. And all of our, all of our products are open source.

00:08:49:25 – 00:09:21:12

Dan Edlebeck: So you can view the actual code. If you wanted to build your own company and your own product, you don’t need to necessarily even using video, you can find our code and build your own product and connect to the Sentinel Network. And so Sentinel is a marketplace for bandwidth. So anyone that’s offering bandwidth can can offer it to the network similar to like I’m not going to rich the Tor network or yeah, it’s similar to Tor, but it’s incentivized. So when you offer your balance the network, you actually get paid anti VPN tokens for offering that bandwidth to the network.

00:09:21:26 – 00:09:29:00

Dan Edlebeck: So it’s truly like a web3 protocol and a peer to peer protocol and then any company can build products on top of that network.

00:09:30:28 – 00:09:56:07

Richard Carthon: That’s pretty cool, man. And I got to spend a little bit of time here. So I was looking on the website and it looks like that y’all are being built on top of the Cosmos ecosystem. And I’ve seen some really, really, really cool projects more and more being built on top of the cosmos ecosystems. So two part question. The first is why did you decide to go with that ecosystem? And then the second is what has been the benefits of using that in the ecosystem?

00:09:56:28 – 00:10:32:27

Dan Edlebeck: Now, that’s a great question, Rich, and actually I can’t take credit for that decision. Sentinel was one of the first projects building on Cosmos. Early on, back even in 2018, they had reached out to the Cosmos development team and to Tendermint, and we’re starting to build on Tendermint core on Sentinel. When it launched in 2018 and up until just last year in 2021 was actually an Ethereum based project. So all of the nodes that were hosting were hosted on Ethereum and the token was on Ethereum, and that was always on Testnet and that was always known as to be a proving ground to get the network off of the ground.

00:10:33:15 – 00:10:43:29

Dan Edlebeck: But it wasn’t Main that was launched in March 27th. So almost a year ago, 2021, where we did pivot and I led and kind of helped lead that pivot from

00:10:45:23 – 00:11:22:00

Dan Edlebeck: Ethereum pivoting on to Mina on Cosmos and our own native blockchain. But the benefit to your question is on Ethereum, it wasn’t truly a decentralized network. Unfortunately, everyone was hosting notes and notes were getting posted to the blockchain, but then all the nodes that are using that are posted to the blockchain were then getting routed through a master node. And that master node was the what the node that would be calling your like your phone application or your desktop application would be calling the API from that master node to display the nodes on your network because of the latency and the throughput of the Ethereum network.

00:11:23:18 – 00:11:59:15

Dan Edlebeck: And so the the understanding from the initial developers is that long back in 2018, before really Cosmos had much traction at all of the understanding of the horizontal, horizontal scalability of Cosmos and blockchains being able to communicate with each other via the Inter Blockchain Communications Protocol. IBC And the benefits of kind of the architecture of Cosmos was a vision that the Founders had early on. Was that? No. And so. They realized that this would be an opportunity to build on a chain that actually would be necessary for a bandwidth marketplace.

00:11:59:29 – 00:12:37:07

Dan Edlebeck: Because when you’re offering your band with Richard on on the Central Network and you’re earning VPN tokens for doing so, you’re, you’re posting the details of your node to the blockchain, to the central blockchain. And then when I’m connecting to it with the existing VPN app and I see, oh, you know, Richard’s got a node in the States, I want to connect to it. I click on Connect. I’m not actually like connecting directly to you or to some centralized database. I’m my node that’s displaying on my application is being think is only displaying on my app because it’s calling the blockchain via API every few seconds and pinging it.

00:12:38:06 – 00:12:58:18

Dan Edlebeck: So that’s how the nodes are actually displayed in real time. So with that, it’s a truly decentralized architecture. And we knew that the cosmos, the cosmos design, the Tendermint Tendermint design and the Cosmos SDK was the right design to be able to have a blockchain to support a bandwidth marketplace.

00:12:59:06 – 00:13:24:21

Richard Carthon: Right. Well, thank you for breaking that down. I think it’s really interesting to see the journey of like where you started and where you ended up. And it was because you’re going after your ultimate goal of true decentralized VPN and be able to sustain that. And the other piece of this that I want to spend a little bit more time on for a second is the ability for people who are listening to this to turn this into a business. So this is the use case for this is kind of two pronged. One is for self,

00:13:26:29 – 00:13:47:04

Richard Carthon: let’s call you keeping your own stuff private and being able to truly have your own VPN that you don’t have to worry about your data being stored away. And then the other side of this is being able to turn your your bandwidth into a business. So can you kind of explain like how how does that work? What are the like the tokens you receive for for doing this? And yeah, can you just kind of walk us through that?

00:13:47:18 – 00:14:26:07

Dan Edlebeck: Yeah. No, absolutely right. And I think that’s what’s really cool. And there’s a really cool Web site out there, Richard, on Web3 index dot org. And it will be on there quick pretty soon. But it’s some of the top web3 protocols where you are able to monetize some of your access resources so you can think of like helium and people on growing their the helium network by helium hotspots and earning the helium native token, the AT&T token, right. You can think of like siacoin for decentralized file storage, which is built by Skynet labs by offering your access storage.

00:14:26:17 – 00:15:06:12

Dan Edlebeck: Or you can think of like offering your access cloud compute in a project that’s doing that in the Cosmos ecosystem. It’s really cool as a cache and by offering your access cloud, compute your earn act tokens. And so similarly, if you offer your bandwidth, so you offer your access Internet bandwidth that you’re not leveraging and you offer to the central network, then you earn the VPN token, which is the native token of the central network for doing so. And so to your point, Richard, it’s a cosmos based token, and the VPN is available for people that would want to trade it on major, you know, decentralized exchanges like osmosis and then major centralized exchanges like Kucoin or a sandbox used to be called BitMEX.

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00:15:08:00 – 00:15:42:17

Dan Edlebeck: And so it’s an easy token to get access to. And there’s a lot of liquidity, but it’s is an opportunity for people to start monetizing their access resources. And it’s a great way for people to get into the crypto ecosystem without putting their capital at risk, without, you know, getting their toes wet and starting to learn about how these protocols actually work and digging in versus just, you know, speculating on tokens. So I think it’s a really cool design and cosmos ecosystem I think is only going to continue to get stronger as more chains adopt it and more chains are connected on the Inter Blockchain Communications Protocol and IBC, we’re going to see.

00:15:42:19 – 00:15:53:08

Dan Edlebeck: I think that that was really visionary early on, this idea of the Internet of Blockchains and how it’s going to function as as kind of the whole crypto ecosystem matures.

00:15:54:02 – 00:16:39:19

Richard Carthon: But yeah, in thanks for bringing that to my attention. I’m going to spend a little bit more time on that with you next in a second. Just because a lot of what you just explained makes a ton of sense to me, I want to make sure it makes sense to our audience. But yeah, just as a quick aside, I personally and again, everything that we say on this show is never financial advice, but I too am personally very bullish on Cosmos ecosystem and just everything is being built in the they do a good job of supporting the companies that come on and I believe they’re also pretty selective with who they decide to take on officially to help build out certain pieces in elements of their ecosystem, to provide some bandwidth to be able to support, to help you and other companies who are coming within their ecosystem to thrive.

00:16:39:23 – 00:16:41:24

Richard Carthon: And I think that’s really essential, right?

00:16:42:09 – 00:17:13:27

Dan Edlebeck: Yeah. And I’d like to make one little clarifying question. When you said that they are selective of who they support. So it’s actually a permissionless as well. The Cosmos ecosystem, anyone can leverage the Cosmos SDK. The development tool kit to be able to build and anyone can build their own blockchain and cosmos so any. There’s no stopping anyone from building a cosmos based blockchain. But what makes Cosmos unique from a lot of other ecosystems is that just because anyone can spin up an RC 20 token and with little solidity and it’s pretty easy, but you’re relying on the security of Ethereum.

00:17:14:11 – 00:17:50:06

Dan Edlebeck: And so with that, the barrier to entry is very low. Anyone can build up and spin up a new ERC 20 token and it can take a second or, you know, a new year, you know, BSC coin or whatever. But Cosmos, you can build your own blockchain, but no need to have the security for that blockchain. So you have your own sovereign security. And by doing that as a proof of stake network, you need to have validators that are validating your blockchain. And validators are going to evaluate what is your use case, what is your blockchain, what is the benefit of it, and why am I going to be spending my time and effort and resources and it’s financially intensive to be able to validate a network.

00:17:51:21 – 00:18:28:10

Dan Edlebeck: And so you need to be able to they’re almost like convincing investors that you need to be able to get them to to buy into the value proposition of what you’re doing and that they need to spend their time and resources to validate your network. So by bootstrapping your own validator set, there’s already a higher barrier to entry than just sending up a ERC 20 token. But all that to say that there is no centralized entity that is supporting or saying that you can or cannot build on cosmos, but if you’re going to do it, you need to have a real idea and some real development powerhouse behind you because you’re going to need to convince validators to commit to doing to validating your chain.

00:18:28:28 – 00:18:59:26

Richard Carthon: Yes. Thank you, Dan, for clarifying that. I think that is a very good distinction. And again, I definitely appreciate that that clarification within the Cosmos ecosystem. But it’s when I first heard that from one of the very first people we brought on the show to explain that within the Cosmos ecosystem, I said, that is such a differentiating factor that I think is going to continue to contribute to the quality of projects that ultimately make it in the cosmos ecosystem. Like you said and the theory of ecosystem, you can really spin up something. It’s not like a whole lot of.

00:19:00:15 – 00:19:40:29

Richard Carthon: And unfortunately that also allows for a lot of scams that a lot of people who aren’t really having the best intent be able to come into the platform. And Cosmos, I believe, has been doing a really good job of making sure that doesn’t happen. Not to say that it can’t happen, but it’s helping to eliminate a lot more of that potential risk. Um, but coming back to what you’re talking about with the Web3 Index, so just to clarify, is that part of this The Sentinel or is that a place where people who are familiar with Sentinel and what you have going on with the with video can then go and use some of their bandwidth to go over there and be able to monetize some of that.

00:19:41:15 – 00:20:13:10

Dan Edlebeck: Yeah, that’s a good question. So I would compare one through index to like Coinmarketcap or Coingecko. It’s just an information aggregator of all these all of these things that are happening in the ecosystem. But then, you know, Coingecko or Coinmarketcap is like a large scale of everything that’s in crypto. And then within Defi there’s websites like Defi Llama that give you details of like what’s happening on defi protocols. So within the web3 or like protocols, building web3 applications, the Web3 index is kind of that website.

00:20:14:06 – 00:20:47:06

Dan Edlebeck: And Sentinel’s not on there, but we’ve had a couple of conversations with them and it’s just about getting our chain integrated on their site, but they’re highlighting some of the top projects that are building true like Web3 infrastructure protocols. And so that’s where I think it’s a really cool sight to see that. I think that that’s going to grow entirely. There’s only a few projects on there right now. Are Weavers another project in the Web3 development space that I’m really excited about, Pocket Network, they’re doing two centralized, decentralized RBC packets.

00:20:48:10 – 00:21:07:27

Dan Edlebeck: And so I think that there’s going to be more core infrastructure layer of the web3 and a lot of those will be highlighted on the web through index as time goes on and the web to be on the Web through indexing and to be actually generating revenue on chain because of the decentralized infrastructure that you’re providing as your protocol level right now.

00:21:07:29 – 00:21:38:12

Richard Carthon: Thank you for clarifying that as well. There’s quite a few on there. You just spoke to all of them, only on the one I was going to potentially add on there that I’m seeing on here, Sia, which I’ve been pretty aware of. We actually had someone from the A team come be on our show a while back and it’s cool to be able to see another place we can get information like that and understand what what you’re actually seeing on the page and how they’re all that data is kind of coming together and the story that’s being told through that.

00:21:38:14 – 00:21:43:06

Richard Carthon: So I appreciate bringing that type of resource to everyone’s attention today.

00:21:45:03 – 00:21:56:13

Richard Carthon: Another thing that I know is really important to you is security and the importance of how we continue to. Ourselves as we evolve in the world of Web three, you kind of speak to

00:21:58:01 – 00:21:59:17

Richard Carthon: some of the things that

00:22:01:08 – 00:22:08:28

Richard Carthon: Sydow’s doing for that in ways that you think people can also securely keep themselves safe as we continue to evolve in this space.

00:22:09:13 – 00:22:41:12

Richard Carthon: Yeah, no, it’s great, Richard. And I think that we need to constantly be very cognizant of how to be more secure and more private online. Our data is our own information. You know, I don’t want a camera in my bedroom watching. You know what my wife and I do? It’s not anyone else’s business. I don’t want someone watching what I do online. It’s not anyone else’s business. So with a VPN, you’re at your with the video VPN, all of your traffic is encrypted. So your Internet service provider can’t be logged in your data.

00:22:42:13 – 00:22:49:16

Richard Carthon: No one else can be logging your data. So it’s it’s secure in that sense. And then also, like, if you’re using a public Wi-Fi,

00:22:51:03 – 00:23:21:17

Richard Carthon: there’s a lot of like security issues with using the public Wi-Fi. So if you’re ever using like a public Wi-Fi, it’s highly recommended that you’re using an encrypted provably and an encrypted VPN. And so, again, a lot of other centralized VPN companies could be the ones logging instead of someone else instead of your Internet service provider or someone on that public network. But there’s still the liability there, whereas companies that are building on the central network like video, we are probably and end encrypted.

00:23:22:02 – 00:23:35:27

Richard Carthon: So it is so significant in crypto. You know, a good buddy of mine that I did the Peace Corps with and his wallet drained because of I think a keylogger that was installed by an email that he had open that he didn’t know about.

00:23:37:18 – 00:24:08:18

Richard Carthon: And so the better we can be about and cognizant about our privacy and about not allowing, you know, spoof things to to take advantage of us the better. But, you know, privacy or security, like any other game, is still a cat and mouse game. We need to consistently be vigilant. And there’s no way that just one VPN application is going to completely be ironclad and all of a sudden all of your security concerns are taken care of.

00:24:09:02 – 00:24:10:05

Richard Carthon: There’s always going to be

00:24:11:22 – 00:24:31:25

Richard Carthon: challenges, and we need to be very cognizant and we need to be aware of the risks that are out, place. And as far as if you’re maintaining your own cryptocurrency assets, I highly encourage using a hardware device where your private keys are stored on that hardware device like a ledger. I use a ledger. Personally, I think it’s far better way to maintain custody of your own funds.

00:24:32:27 – 00:25:05:04

Richard Carthon: You know, I appreciate you sharing that information. I personally use the ledger as well. And we as cryptocurrency always want to encourage our listeners and everyone who is coming into this space to securely keep your assets safe. You become the bank and you are ultimately responsible for all of the crypto assets that are within your sovereign authority, which hopefully all of them are. But in the event that some are sitting on a platform or somewhere else, even though it’s sitting there, it’s not necessarily safe and secure.

00:25:05:06 – 00:25:38:26

Richard Carthon: So and then even with the data that you exchange across the Internet and as you engage in Web three. Doesn’t mean that all the platforms that you’re on or to centralize some of them still might be centralized where they can still take the data that you’re using and do whatever they want with it. So as you continue to go through the space. I think Dan just made a good call to action to make sure that you’re secure. Make sure it’s private. And if it’s truly, truly important to you to make sure that your data is not going anywhere else. Make sure that privacy and security at the top of the list of the companies that you are engaging with.

00:25:38:28 – 00:26:00:27

Richard Carthon: So definitely appreciate that sentiment. But as we wrap up here, Dan, you’ve dropped a lot of great knowledge on us. I always like to wrap up with two fun questions. The first being with all the information that you have learned throughout the years in this space, if you could impart one or two pieces of wisdom when you first got started back in 2000. Back in 2000 with this company, what would you what wisdom would you impart to yourself?

00:26:02:10 – 00:26:03:28

Richard Carthon: Yeah. So two years ago now,

00:26:07:10 – 00:26:33:12

Richard Carthon: I think, you know, we talk about crypto and tech and it’s all about, you know, just the code and decentralization. But ultimately we’re just dealing with humans and ultimately that, you know, blockchains are just comprised of humans. You know, decentralized governance is just a bunch of humans. And so understanding that and thinking that, like, you know, this is a new paradigm and everything changes. Like

00:26:34:27 – 00:26:40:22

Richard Carthon: business is still business and young people are still dealing with people. So knowing that and

00:26:42:19 – 00:26:52:10

Richard Carthon: keeping that in the forefront in everything that you do. So, you know, I think that that’s part of been why things have gone pretty effectively for for example, is because

00:26:53:27 – 00:27:27:08

Richard Carthon: it’s just my personality. I’m I’m very fortunate to have grown up with parents that care a lot about integrity and about how you connect with humans and being being giving space and time for listening and understanding. And so I think that that’s crucial and anything that you’re building. And I think that a lot of developers kind of get focused on the code, which is great, but you’re building products for people and you’re going to be working with people. And so I just, you know, I can’t stress that enough to make that extra time, make the human connection.

00:27:28:05 – 00:27:29:15

Richard Carthon: We’re all going through this together.

00:27:30:14 – 00:27:52:24

Richard Carthon: We are. And kudos to your parents for raising a good person, good human. And you imparted that into everything that you do have a good integrity, heaven doing well to others and like paying that forward, you typically get that energy back. And so I’m all about that too. So I appreciate that sentiment. But man, as we wrap up here, what is a final thought that you want to leave with all the listeners here today?

00:27:54:21 – 00:28:29:11

Richard Carthon: You know, I think that you hit it earlier that like security and privacy are couldn’t be more paramount. And so, you know, that’s something that I’m passionate about. That’s why I got involved with CNN early on. That’s why I helped co-founding video. So I really recommend that if you’re not using a VPN, you should be. And if you are, are you sure that that companies are logging your data? And if not, I highly recommend you go to DDP and Eoco and check out the applications that are using them, giving us feedback, joining the Telegram community, join us on Twitter, get involved in the conversation, start earning free crypto if you want.

00:28:29:13 – 00:28:56:19

Richard Carthon: By earning VPN tokens, you can stick to the VPN asset and earn 60% API. So there’s tons of opportunities to get involved with the central ecosystem, whether you’re more used to using tokens or using applications or you’re not into crypto, but you understand privacy’s important. Again, go to DDP and exit Eoco and download the apps and yeah happy to can actually hit me up on Twitter. Yeah.

00:28:57:14 – 00:29:13:10

Richard Carthon: Oh, excellent. And actually, I was going to say on that you just did a couple of different ways they can connect with you. But what would you say like for your first entry point, if you’re trying to learn more information or you’re trying to engage what you say is the discord. Would you say telegram when you say it’s Twitter?

00:29:14:15 – 00:29:35:27

Richard Carthon: Yeah. So if you want to connect me directly, Twitter is real easy. It’s at DH and then four years in a row daily. So I digital. And then if you want to also connect on telegram are telegram communities at central underscore call. So those are great places to engage and connect with us and learn more about the protocol.

00:29:37:00 – 00:29:46:14

Richard Carthon: Excellent. Well, I know I’m going to be checking that out. I hope everyone listening will as well. Dan, thank you so much for your time today and for everyone listening stay crypto current.