Maggie Xu on Solving DeFi’s Biggest Challenges with Axis (Episode 123)
Today Maggie Xu joins us to discuss how Axis is solving some of Defi’s biggest challenges.
Maggie brings more than a decade of business, technology and legal experience. Most recently she was the CEO of Decentral and Jaxx, a world-class cryptocurrency wallet that has over 2 million users globally. A builder at heart, prior to becoming the CEO of Decentral, Maggie worked closely with Anthony Di Iorio, cofounder of Ethereum. Also a business lawyer and an adjunct blockchain professor at the BlockchainHub of York University, Maggie’s experience in both the traditional financial world and the fintech startup realm as well as agile execution make her uniquely qualified for AXIS’s Co-founder role as more we reimagine open finance with the blockchain technology.
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The following transcript was created using artificial intelligence. There will be some grammatical errors below.
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Richard Carthon: Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of Crypto Current, your host here, Richard Carthon and today I’ve got a very special guest all the way out in Toronto, Canada, we got Maggie with Axis. How are you doing today?
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Maggie Xu: Hi, I’m doing very well. Thank you Richard.
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Richard Carthon: Course. Well, excited to be learning more about you and your really cool DeFi project that you have going on with Axis, but before we get into that, how about you give us a little bit of background on yourself?
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Maggie Xu: Alright. Hi everyone, my name’s Maggie and I am the co-founder of Axis DeFi. My background is in finance and law, so I had an undergrad finance specialist from University of Toronto, went on to get my JD doing a law degree here in Canada and then worked in Blockchain in the last, I would say over the last three years. So because of my legal background, the first time I heard about smart contracts, I got it right away and I thought, “Wow, this could really replace a lot of the administrative work that lawyers, accountants or banks are doing. And started going to all meetups I can find in Toronto and that’s when I joined Jaxx. Jaxx was the last Blockchain company I worked with, has over 2 million users around the world.
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Richard Carthon: Wow.
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Maggie Xu: Eventually became the CEO and that’s when I met Kim my co-founder and my other co-founder, Christine, I’ve known her since my undergraduate days.
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Richard Carthon: Wow.
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Maggie Xu: We were both in finance together.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: Yeah, so it’s really interesting when you’re doing a project you’re very passionate with with your close friends. And Axis DeFi, we’re basically building the infrastructure layer for the open finance world.
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Richard Carthon: Okay.
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Maggie Xu: So if you think about decentralized finance, a lot of people are talking about dApps built on Ethereum.
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Richard Carthon: Right, decentralized apps.
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Maggie Xu: Exactly, decentralized apps, optimized apps. And some people might be aware that you know, Ethereum is pretty slow and pretty expensive.
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Richard Carthon: Yes.
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Maggie Xu: And that’s why we want to build this alternative, where it’s going to be so much faster in terms of the transaction per second, it’s gonna be a lot cheaper. I will go into the details later, but basically, this is a project we’re building right now and very excited to be here and sharing this project with everyone.
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Richard Carthon: For sure. Well, thank you for that background and giving us more information on all that. And you know, one of the things I definitely like asking all of my speakers is you know, what was your first introduction into the Crypto and Blockchain space, like when did you first hear about it?
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Maggie Xu: So I first heard about it, I would say early 2016.
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Richard Carthon: Okay.
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Maggie Xu: So I like to do these, it’s almost like idea groups.
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Richard Carthon: Yes.
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Maggie Xu: You get a bunch of different people together, you share what you know, lately what you’ve been working on or what’s getting you excited in the news. And one of the folks in the group shared about smart contract, back in 2016, this is still considered pretty early in the day. And yeah, when I heard about an idea that you know, when two people enter into an agreement, the agreement can self execute based on certain conditions, right? So for example, if me and you enter an agreement and I say you know, if tomorrow it rains, my insurance company is going to pay you $100 because your house might get flooded, something like that, right?
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: Like let’s say that happens and we can use the Weather Network to say, “Oh tomorrow it is getting raining. Oh wow, like money can just flow right from my insurance company’s wallet into your wallet.” You know, because typically, if you think about it, you need a lot of middlemen in between.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: So I first heard about that concept and I thought that was such a cool idea. I thought we’re probably on the next wave of the next intranet, we call it. And yeah, I just started going to different conferences, all the meet ups, all the books I can get my hands on. And yeah, I decided to quit my law career and join the technology career.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah. And that’s so interesting because I think you’re the third lawyer that I’ve spoken with who once they heard about smart contracts, it just clicked. They’re like, “Yes, this is it, I need to cut this route because this is the future and it just makes perfect sense. And so, I mean, I think you were saying in the background you know, you’re able to work with a couple of your friends and you know, as you begin to make Axis DeFi, you’re working with people that you’ve been working with a long time that you have that chemistry there, but you’re also were able to come together with solving a major problem that is happening right now in the DeFi world, which is Ethereum unfortunately is being very slow and is being very costly. And so we’re seeing this DeFi boom going on right now and Axis is trying to be one of those go to sources to help solve those problems. So can you just give us a deeper insight into everything that you’re building and working on and why people would come and use Axis DeFi?
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Maggie Xu: Absolutely. So we’re building two things essentially. One is we’re building the infrastructure layer, which is if you’re building a house, just a foundation, right?
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: So right now, our tech co-founder, Jim, he’s looking at different Blockchains and seeing what is good, it’s almost like you’re playing Lego and there’s different pieces you can get from different Blockchains. So for example, we’ve already announced that we’re using EOS as our foundation block.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, okay.
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Maggie Xu: And the reason we’re picking EOS is because it has higher transactions per second that’s actually tested. EOS actually, they did a year long fundraising basically and because of it, it got a lot of community support. They have a lot of funding, which enables them to build cutting edge technology.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: So their chain, in terms of their tech stack, is a lot far more advanced than Ethereum because Ethereum was back in 2014. And you know, in the whole Crypto world, one year is probably like 10 years in the normal world.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: Because of just how fast the life cycle is, how the product cycle is, so that’s why we picked EOS as our foundational infrastructure layer. And then we’re also looking at Cosmos, we’re looking at Polkadot, we’re looking at Aion. Aion is something that my tech co-founder has co-founded before, so he knows it inside out. And Aion is known for interoperability.
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Richard Carthon: Yes.
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Maggie Xu: And the interoperability piece is really interesting as well because right now in the whole DeFi space, you know, you do have 90 percent of all the projects on Ethereum. We also have projects on Polkadot, we also have projects on you know, Cosmos. And won’t it be cool if you have an ecosystem where all these chains can start talking to each other?
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Richard Carthon: Yes.
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Maggie Xu: From a mental layer? Like layer one. So that’s why I think Axis DeFi is getting people interested and very excited because we’re building that layer, we’re having faster transactions per second, cheaper fees and also we’re bringing Wall Street capabilities onto the chain. So if you think about Ethereum with your smart contracts where all developers can use these smart contracts and build different softwares, now you can have Axis contracts, which are DeFi contracts.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: These are contracts that’s just for financial functionalities, such as stop loss. such as margin trading. All these sophisticated trading functionalities can now be brought onto the chain itself, without any central parties to go and execute. So if you put together you know, the faster speed, the interoperability and the DeFi special contracts all in one platform.
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Richard Carthon: You got something special.
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Maggie Xu: Yeah it’s very special, it’s nonexistent on the market right now.
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Richard Carthon: For sure. And I mean, you’re hitting on three major elements that are challenges in the space and by providing a way for it to be a lot smoother and especially the interoperability piece, I think. And for everyone listening, essentially just means you’re making it very easy for various platforms to talk to each other without there being a lot of friction.
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Maggie Xu: Exactly.
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Richard Carthon: And it’s just almost like with Apple and Microsoft and some of these other bigger players when they like created their infrastructures and their system, they made it very challenging for them to talk because they want you to use their island, they want you to use their product. However, as you’ve gotten some of these things like Xavier and other things that help any and everything be able to communicate anywhere you go, they’re very powerful and everyone like looks to using them, so the fact that Axis is creating something to help solve that problem is very unique, but also I want to dive a little bit deeper into the DeFi piece of it of these extra pool trading opportunities like you were saying with margin trading and everything else that you’re speaking towards on that. So would you need to go through the Axis platform itself to be able to execute these kinds of complex trades or how does that part of it work?
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Maggie Xu: Okay. So first I want to touch on the analogy you used, let’s say Apple versus Android, right? You’re absolutely right, if you’re an IOS developer, it can build on Android, it’s a completely different system that you have to work on and the same analogy works in the Crypto space. If you’re a developer and you’re building on EOS, your app is not going to talk to let’s say Ethereum or Polkadot or Binance.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: So right now, if we all of a sudden have another software such as Zapier that is starting to build bridges between these different chains, now the different assets that are already on EOS. So the whole financial world, there’s a lot of lending, there’s borrowing, there’s trading, there’s exchanges, there’s all these different segments of finance, but we call it financial assets. Now you can move all these assets from one chain onto another chain because now they talk to each other and the impact of that is massive because that’s how you can get mainstream audiences to come into the ecosystem right now. If you think about, you know, decentralized finance, people that are in Crypto are very excited. When I talk to a cab driver or someone like my mom, they don’t know anything about it, right?
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: So yeah, how do we onboard the mainstream people because that’s the world we’re trying to build. We’re trying to build a world where people are more empowered, they can control and manage their own assets without really relying on third parties. So yeah, that’s why the interoperability piece is so important. So I just want to touch on that.
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Richard Carthon: For sure.
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Maggie Xu: And then yeah, to your second point, in terms of the unchained sophisticated functionalities, so when a user comes into the Axis ecosystem, they do it through our Axis token, that basically brings them into the Axis ecosystem. And while they’re in it, they can do different trading functionalities. So for example, they can mint the Axis token and they can generate another token that you can mirror the real world assets, right? So they can mirror real estate, they can mirror stocks, they can mirror indices, like the S&P 500 indices. So you have all these different assets you can have in our ecosystem and during that, you can trade. So for example, with margin trading, users can use their wallet I.D. as their identification. So your wallet address is your identification, you don’t need to upload your passport, you don’t need to take that awkward selfie.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: Nope, because this is all decentralized, you don’t have to do any of that. Your wallet address, it’s just your I.D., it takes you everywhere and it will assess automatically you know, how much funds you already have in your wallet and that’ll be used as your collateral. And we have a special algorithm that allows you to borrow against your collateral.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: And we’re doing it in a way where we want people to do more with their funds. So we’re not going to require a very high collateral percentage like some of the projects are doing in the market right now, we’re gonna just going to say you know, we’ll do our best from a tac perspective to bring users the most amount of flexibility. So yeah, to answer your question, yes, you do need to come into the Axis ecosystem, but this is like the way we see it, this is going to be really the one stop shop ecosystem where users come in, they can build, they can do all their financial trading services in our ecosystem and then they can talk to other chains because it’s part of our ecosystem as well. So yeah, it’s going to be very exciting.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah. Thank you for breaking that down and I think that’s really cool. The fact that you’ll be able to do some leverage trading with only having to use your wallet, but as you said, trying to get on some of these exchanges elsewhere, there’s a lot more hurdles. And for your experienced Crypto trader that wants to like, just be able to get up and move as quickly as possible, this is definitely shining a light on that. I would think that something that would be interesting more on the front end of course, is for your newbie or your person that wants to start learning about this of like how do you start to warmly introduce them so they don’t come in and all of a sudden do a margin trade the very first time and be like, “Wait, what happened to everything’, right? And so I’m sure that you’ll have some things on the road map for that as well, but I think it’s just very cool that you’re able to service such a wide range of the type of investor that would come and use the Axis.
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Maggie Xu: You know Richard that’s actually a really good point, I don’t think I explained it fully yet. So we are serving two types of users.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: One is the sophisticated traders that you know, I was talking on, they know about the Wall Street functionalities, they expect the same thing in the Crypto space. And a lot of those sophisticated traders, I would say, are more you know, institutional traders or just someone who has like, a larger amount of funds. So that’s the first type, the second type are more your everyday users and for them, because we’re not just building the infrastructure layer, that’s for Stage One. Stage Two is we’re also building a user interface, so everything is already being built, right? Like for them to come in, it will just be I would say, as easy as Uniswap.
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Richard Carthon: Got it.
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Maggie Xu: If you look at Uniswap, they have two functionalities, right?
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: You can stake or you can exchange. And once you get the hang of it, it’s actually pretty simple to just use it. You just click a few buttons, that’s good. There’s obviously that initial education piece, but once you get it like,” Okay, it’s not rocket science.”
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: So I think our platform is going to be similar, like in the way for the user, for the front facing user interface it can be you know, visually appealing. My background is also in product, like so I’ll for sure do something where it’s like least amount of friction.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: Very easy for users to use because like when I think about someone like my mom, she doesn’t really want to learn morem like she just wants to know, “Ok, my money’s safe.”
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: And earning a certain percentage return and yeah, it’s a cool service to use. I think that’s the initial hype really for that type of user. So yeah, so that’s a great point. I think we’re servicing both users, it’s just probably service to the first group first because we’re building the infrastructure they really need. Once that is all complete, we might open up our infrastructure to other developers to build as well. So we have our own tap and then they can also build on top of it, just like how Ethereum is. Anyone can use their smart contracts and they can build your taps.
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Richard Carthon: For sure. Thank you for expanding on that. I think that’s really cool and that roadmap sounds extremely interesting and definitely looking forward to seeing how that all shapes out over time. Another question I just want to ask you on on a broader sense is you know, there’s an absolute explosion going on in the DeFi space right now and you know, what are some things that you think people that are listening right now should be on the lookout for in the next one to three years in this space?
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Maggie Xu: That’s a very broad, but important question. I think DeFi and I mean, the whole Crypto space is still in the very, very early stage right now.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: And anyone who’s already you know, exploring or already in this space is gonna be considered the early comers. And I think the early adopters, like it’s part of their responsibility to you know, go and kind of tell their friends and family about it because like knowledge is power, right?
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Richard Carthon: Yes.
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Maggie Xu: That’s the first case that will bring more people into it. In terms of pieces that get me excited in the space, I think like, personally, I think staking is really interesting and that’s what we’ve seen, like that’s really what got DeFI to you know, gathering billions of USD dollars over the last six months. It’s a lot of staking, a lot of EO farming. Like personally, I would think that when you stake, pick a good project to stake, right?
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Richard Carthon: Yes.
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Maggie Xu: LIke don’t just stake about anything, like obviously do your research, do your due diligence. Not all projects are created equal. I can only advocate for my project that we’re doing seems very responsible, can’t really say anything about what other people are doing, but I do think that staking is an interesting and very powerful concept because it essentially replaces proof of work.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: And from a consensus governance perspective, you know, some people are saying, “Oh proof of work is making everything seem fair and equal.” It really isn’t. If you look on Etherscan, in terms of the Ethereum proof of work mining, you have all these large pools that are basically gathering the computer resources that the average person doesn’t have. And so you’re competing against someone with billions of dollars with a huge mining pool. That’s not fair.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: However, proof of stake, like that’s also another reason we picked EOS. EOS has 21 super nodes, which are just basically supercenters that other users can join, they can vote, they can share in the profit as well, but basically each of the super nodes only have 2.5 percent of the entire network division, right? That to me is pretty fair.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: Like you have 21 super ones, instead of two or three big ones that’s dominating the entire chain. So from a consensus perspective staking, I think is the way to go because of that and also staking allows the user to earn back return as well. So yeah, so a long winded answer.
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Richard Carthon: No, that’s a great answer. Thank you for expanding on that. And just for anyone that’s potentially a first time listener, staking essentially is you get some coins or tokens and you put them to do proof of stake, right? So on chain governance and by having it there, you get rewarded with more of that coin or token. So essentially, they’re giving you more. So for example, let’s say you have a coin that’s worth $3. If you stake with this giant pool, let’s say every month that because you have a certain amount in there, they reward you with three. So every month, you’re getting three back, so you’re constantly getting more. So if you have a good project like Maggie was alluding to, you know, your money is making you money, but if you get a project and let’s say it goes down over time, even though in the last year you’ve gotten, let’s call it 20 extra of those coins, if it’s less than what you originally got it for, then it’s virtually zero.
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Maggie Xu: Then it’s zero.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Maggie Xu: Exactly, yep. And so the way I was explaining to my friend the other day is when you’re staking, so when you’re putting your coin in a project, you’re one of the validators for the project. So think about it like a big four, you’re at a KPMG or you’re at Deloitte, right? Like you’re actually doing the auditing work for this network and in return for your work, you’re getting you know, rewarded with that token. And for Axis, for example, we actually just recently launched a code builder program, where we’re looking for people who are early believers in a project and we’re saying you know, for you to believe in us, before our mainnet lounge. So we’re actually launching our test net over the next month or so, which is very exciting.
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Richard Carthon: Okay, congrats. Yeah.
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Maggie Xu: Yeah, thank you. Maybe we’ll do another podcast after we launch our test net.
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Richard Carthon: For sure.
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Maggie Xu: But we’re aiming to target our mainnet before the end of this year, so after our mainnet lounge, we’re going to be using a proof of stake, actually delegated proof of stake, for the Decos. And yeah, everything that I’m talking about, you know, users can start staking and we actually because we want to be a truly decentralized project, 60 percent of our entire total token supply is going to be used for staking and for giving back to the community. So more than half of our entire token supply is for users.
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Richard Cathon: Yeah, that’s awesome.
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Maggie Xu: Yeah, which is really awesome. Yeah, so I think you know, for early believers, pick a good project, try staking, it’s also a good way to learn about ecosystems and learn about just how this works. It’s a very important concept, component of this whole space.
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Richard Carthon: For sure.
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Maggie Xu: Alright.
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Richard Carthon: And again thanks for elaborating on that. And yeah, I mean, I appreciate you dropping all this knowledge on us, telling us more about Axis and everything that’s going on with Axis DeFi and really exciting projects. Can’t wait to learn more about it, but before you leave, what is a final thought that you want to leave with all of our listeners here today?
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Maggie Xu: Okay. So I think the final thought is that we are trying to push the boundary for Blockchain technology and you know, we could have taken an easy way out to build another dApp on Ethereum. We choose to do it the hard way, which is actually doing it from the ground up and we would really like your support. I mean, we believe you know, supporting Axis is supporting that next technology disruption in Blockchain, in the decentralized world, in decentralized finance. And if you want to learn more about a project, you can check out our website, which is A-X-I-S DeFi, D-E-F-I.com. We have about 20 different medium blogs. We have a blog on what we’ve achieved just over the month of August, which essentially talks about how we close our private round, we’re on five different exchanges, we have all these awesome institutional investors supporting us, as well as retail investors and we’re also going to have probably a monthly update on where we are on our technology piece, on our mainnet and on our team expansion. So yeah, if you want to learn more, if you want to check out a project, go to the website. And we thank everyone who is supporting us.
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Richard Carthon: For sure.
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Maggie Xu: And thank you Richard for doing this.
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Richard Carthon: Oh of course and I really appreciate it and glad you can share that information with our audience, but what are some ways if people want to connect directly with you or even learn more about everything that Axis DeFi has going on with your social media? What are some different ways that people can connect?
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Maggie Xu: Oh, sure. Okay. So the best way to contact me is probably on my LinkedIn, it’s just Maggie, M-A-G-G-I-E, last name X-U. I think it’s Maggie Xu J.D. or if you just search for co-founder of Axis DeFi, I’ll be the first one up. So yeah, I would say I’m very active on WeChat because we have a big Asian presence and community as well. I’m doing A,M.A, Ask me anything’s, almost on a weekly basis. And yeah, e-mail would do as well, Maggie@AccessDeFi.Com. So, we’re basically on every single social platform, but I think like if people want to learn more, we’re very active on media and very active on our Telegraph group as well. And the handle is always just Axis DeFi or just Maggie@AxisDeFi.
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Richard Carthon: Gotcha. Well again super appreciate that. Everyone listening who wants to connect, you’ve got your way to do that now. And of course for everyone listening, Stay Crypto Current.
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