Warren Anderson joins us to discuss how Findora is public blockchain with programmable privacy.
Warren Paul Anderson is VP of Product at Discreet Labs, which is developing Findora, a public blockchain with programmable privacy. Previously, Warren led product at Ripple for 4.5 years working on the XRP Ledger, Interledger, & PayString protocols, the RippleX platform, and RippleNet’s On-Demand Liquidity enterprise product. Prior to Ripple, in 2014 Warren co-founded Hedgy, one of the first DeFi platforms for derivatives using programmable, escrowed smart contracts on the Bitcoin blockchain. Warren has two bachelor’s degrees from Northwestern University, and did graduate studies at Harvard University.
The following transcript was created using artificial intelligence. There will be some grammatical errors below.
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Richard Carthon: Hello, everyone, welcome to another episode of cryptocurrency, your host, Richard Carthon. And today I have a special guest all the way out in the Bay Area working on a really cool project called Pandora. He’s the VP of product at a really cool company, coming to make this a reality. We have Warren. How are you doing today?
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Warren Anderson: Doing well, thanks for having me on, Richard.
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Richard Carthon: Awesome, man. Well, thank you for joining us before we dive into all the really cool onchain confidentially confidentiality for stablecoins wrap tokens and it’s defined so much more that is on endora first. Want to learn a little bit more about you can give us a little bit of background on yourself.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, sure. I was born and raised in California. Kind of a classic California surfer guys still surf, but I ended up going to undergrad at Northwestern out in Chicago and got exposed to the wonderful Midwestern hospitality. And you know, I made a lot of great friends there, played a little bit of American football in the Big Ten, so know hung up my cleats and started getting into tech more more deeply.
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Richard Carthon: Did a grad program at Harvard, and that’s where I started my first tech start up. And we had a small acquisition which led to a series of two other startups in the hardware space, which didn’t work out very well. Hardware is, as they say, is is hard, and back then it was still very expensive. You couldn’t do. We didn’t have access to 3D printers like nowadays, so the rapid prototyping was, you know, several months and thousands of dollars.
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Richard Carthon: So I love seeing, you know, all the advancements in the hardware space to make things cheaper. But yeah, and then that’s pretty much it. And then I one day stumbled on on crypto and let me
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Richard Carthon: stop you there real quick. So like, what’s amazing is you have this unique background where you know you got to go play sports in college. I did as well. And like, I think being a student athlete and then going into the academics, you kind of bring that intensity of what you want to study and what you want to learn kind of off the field and you’re making something you’re very passionate about and you really want to be, you know, incredible at your craft, at what you do. And so it’s cool that you were able to take that into technology, able to get into is amazing school as Harvard and then to go on to be in the entrepreneurial space.
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Richard Carthon: And so going into mining and figuring out like how that the 3D graphing and then taking that space, I believe over into mining. Can you tell us a little bit how that like kind of correlated into your crypto journey and how that all started?
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Warren Anderson: Yeah, definitely. So, you know, we were we were doing a lot of hardware kind of PCB design, which required some access to servers. I spent a lot of nights that were just, you know, basically doing the renderings of these 3D 3D images of the hardware. And one night I was just on Twitter and I think it was in 2011 and someone linked to to this, this interesting kind of digital cash.
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Warren Anderson: And I clicked on a link and it was linked to the bitcoin whitepaper. And I read through it, it’s actually is pretty readable. If anyone’s actually read it, it’s only nine pages. And I read it again, I read it again. And you know, now everything just started kind of rotating going, and this is really cool. So I think I went to bed at like five a.m. that morning, just thinking about it. The next day, I decided to spin up the original Bitcoin client, which is kind of the the original wall and kind of client to manage a node and actually got a miner running on my own, my laptop because you could still mine on on the CPU then.
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Warren Anderson: And it was it was a hobby basically for, you know, for from that period on, you know, for about two years.
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Warren Anderson: You know, eventually, you know, the hashrate got increased and CPUs became, you know, no longer
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Warren Anderson: competitive. So then you could re upgrade their like the GPUs and. And then once it went into A6, that’s when I knew like I wasn’t going to be able to compete with. But, you know, I got exposed to technology and it was just a great way to kind of put your foot in, you know, without getting overly involved. But I also noticed, yeah, started to notice in 2013 that, like some legitimate entrepreneurs, were starting to enter this space. Venture capitalists were investing money in these entrepreneurs, and it was no longer becoming kind of like a fringe, you know, technology that you can only find on different like IAC or different chat forums.
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Warren Anderson: It was actually people are showing faces saying, I’m working on this technology, I believe in it. And it was becoming at that point what we thought more mainstream, but had no idea what, how mainstream that would get in the short course of ten years.
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Richard Carthon: No doubt. Man, it’s really cool that you were able to be exposed to bitcoin as early as you did twenty eleven to read the white paper over and over again, it clicked and then start mining on a laptop. And so as you start to look into this and you’re like, OK, this is becoming more legitimate. This is something I need to pay attention to. At what point did you then get your career more into the crypto space?
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, so in 2013, I had and it was going through the painful process of shutting down the the last of the two hardware startups. And you know, I’ve been doing this mining and stuff, and I noticed that more and more attention is being drawn to crypto. So I started playing around with the technology itself and, you know, coming up with some ideas on what could be built in the space and moved out to the Bay Area and actually raised a seed round from Tim Draper, Marc Benioff.
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Richard Carthon: And the boost we see in a run by Tim Sun, Adam Draper and Brett and those guys, we’re just like, super crazy. But it was a fun environment,
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Richard Carthon: says really cool, man. So now it’s 2011 and you’ve been in this space for two years now, and you start to see, you know, you checked out the white paper. Read it multiple times and you’re saying, Wow, this is a legitimate thing. Is this the point at which you decided this is where I want to start to build and work in my career?
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, so, you know, at the time, I think in twenty thirteen, it’s been doing a little a little bit of mining at that, you know, as a hobby. You know, it’s kind of like tending to a garden. You know, you get some, you get some good fruits and sometimes not as back then the network wasn’t as stable as it is today. So a lot of like the individual nodes, which kind of drop off and you start it or you can experience the start it later, you know? So but I had just gotten through the process of actually shutting down my my second and last hardware start up.
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Richard Carthon: So was kind of looking for the next thing I wanted to really dig, you know, sink my teeth into. And I went back to my hobby saying, Wow, you know, maybe I parlayed this into an actual career or at least a job. And you know, at the time, like no one’s hiring and I had, you know, I’d been at this, you know, entrepreneur for several years. So I immediately thought, OK, I want to start a company in the space. So I came up with some ideas, met a few people when I moved out to to the Bay Area and raised some funding for a company called Hedgi that you know, I co-founded with a few others.
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Richard Carthon: It was effectively one of the first Bitcoin OTC wholesale markets. So we actually built a platform, a smart contract platform on bitcoin using bitcoin script and multi-sig technology to allow bitcoin to actually hedge the volatility of the Bitcoin. So they knew exactly how much bitcoin they could, potentially in a minimum 30 days. They didn’t know the price would be. And at the time, you know, miners weren’t venture backed.
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Richard Carthon: They were kind of, you know, too small for a small business
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Richard Carthon: that had fixed costs. So they every time they would mind they would sell the bitcoin and sell it on exchanges, which would tank the price and end up in these like big spikes. So we wanted to introduce and kind of build out and help build on its demand for bitcoin, which really didn’t exist at the time. So, you know, this platform would kind of help the bitcoin miners to to sell to institutional investors, which were, you know, KYC and everything. And and then it gave the institutional investors, you know, access to large recall blocks of bitcoin and particularly like bitcoin that that didn’t have much transaction history.
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Richard Carthon: So institutions kind of like because they knew it was like fresh coin. And so we built that out for a couple of years. We ended up selling the platform to a company called Wire, which just kind of they were, you know, doing a lot of stuff back.
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Richard Carthon: And we actually had someone previously on the show from wire. So that’s awesome.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, probably. Mike, are you are. The co-founders, great great guys, love them. You know, they’re kind of the they’ve been at it, you know, I think working on wire since 2013, so definitely along a long road.
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Richard Carthon: But yeah, and then 2016, I think so. I actually joined Ripple at the time. And, you know, for a bitcoin or like me and Mike, all my friends joining Ripple was like, Whoa, that’s a completely different technology. But I was I kind of had wanted to get exposure to to more technology, you know, outside of just classic kind of new tech. So style bitcoin network. So I worked at Ripple on the product team, worked on a variety of different open source protocols and the platforms and products built out some of the enterprise products and generally just had a really good time.
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Richard Carthon: Ripple’s a very well run kind of company with very mature leaders, so getting exposure to their leadership and mentorship was actually, you know, I think, a really, you know, foundational for for my career. And then, you know, recently decided to after after four and a half years investing there decided to kind of jump ship and jump in and start something new.
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Richard Carthon: Man, so again, a very robust background in the crypto space, and with all of that being able to go from one company to another saying these opportunities, seeing how everything has been able to grow and kind of gets you to this current place where you are, where you are now, starting your own company again and then doing the door. What made you want to leave Ripple and in and create this? So first of all, you know, what is Pandora and what is the problem that you’re trying to solve right now in this space?
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Warren Anderson: Yeah, sure. So I, you know, I found out about finora through the Stanford blockchain conference, I think a couple of years ago and it was actually a research project back then. And the researchers were doing some interesting work on, particularly on using zero knowledge proofs to introduce privacy to, you know, public blockchain. So I saw an opportunity to join, you know, what’s now called the free labs as VP product.
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Warren Anderson: And you know, I joined at a time where the fedora was still very much kind of in the research phase and hadn’t really been production or commercial or industrialized and into a commercial or production blockchain. And I thought this this might be an interesting way to to kind of parlay some of my some of the lessons I’ve learned and talents, you know, picked up over the course of the last several years working on blockchain to apply that to a new layer one blockchain. So fedora is I’ve heard some people call it a more programmable version of Zcash or a more ethical Monero.
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Warren Anderson: Those are just like what other people kind of refer to it. And I’d say, Yeah, you want to call it whatever you want to call it, those seem actually pretty applicable. It’s more programmable than Zcash in the form that you can actually issue tokens, particularly private tokens, on the network. So imagine like near C 20 style token, but that can be issued and managed in a private way. And you know, there’s a lot of reasons why that’s important, particularly around kind of like stablecoins.
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Warren Anderson: But you had the option to be fully private or more transparent, just like a classic, you know, bitcoin transaction. So.
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Warren Anderson: There’s a lot of you know.
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Warren Anderson: Kind of choice that a user can have on if they want to maintain their privacy or not.
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Richard Carthon: Right now, it’s it’s amazing that you’re going in from an element in even just using those two correlations between Zcash in a more ethical than narrow, I immediately could picture what’s trying to be accomplished in. As you’re looking at privacy, because obviously privacy is very near and dear to you and and also being able to have a way to. Create something on top of your platform that others can use and send out. What do you think as people begin to use, find more like what do you think? Are some of the use cases that immediately people would be able to come in and do?
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, sure. I mean, you know, I got kind of goes back to I think there’s a lot of great products out there, you know, and every everyone’s kind of passionate about their projects, but there are very few projects that are actually purposeful and purposeful, meaning they actually solve a problem.
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Richard Carthon: So I think, you know, the fedora of blockchain particularly solves an interesting problem around privacy, I think, to date. I think the cryptocurrency or blockchain kind of industry has failed when it comes to privacy. And what I mean is the bitcoin whitepaper, for instance, nine pages, it only dedicates a half a page to privacy. And the suggestion is basically keep your public key private, which doesn’t make sense because if I want you to send me bitcoin, I assure my public key and then it’s there as, Oh, rotate your key so that you know, every transaction is, it can be changed.
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Richard Carthon: But that doesn’t really mask the actual, you know, the unspent transactions that well. And then also, it’s not tenable for something like, you know, an account based blockchain. So there’s a lot of privacy guidelines on what to do. But they’re like some of them are like 12 steps and require like, you know, opening and doing a bunch of like advanced kind of tradecraft that that most people aren’t just going to do it, they don’t want to go to that extent.
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Richard Carthon: So I think in some ways we failed at privacy, and it starts with making privacy more simpler and more accessible, making it optional, but also default, building it from the ground up. So that’s really what fedoras kind of focus on is making those privacy systems really, really useful and making them so easy to use that they just they can be used by default. It’s like very similar to when, you know, the dawn of the internet before there was SSL or tell us, you know, to to, you know, the tips to make browsing more secure and and private.
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Richard Carthon: We’re kind of in that phase right now where people can basically, you know and understand exactly what you’re looking up online. People can watch what you’re paying for or transacting on this, but I don’t think that’s what we want for free users. So fedoras kind of focus on that. So a lot of use cases that kind of build on not a one is just classic in use cases to his, you know, token issuance and tokenization of different assets.
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Richard Carthon: And then we recently actually introduced Ethereum if they’re in virtual machine or EVM support for fedora. So you can actually use Ethereum pretty compiles contracts on fedora. You can also use all the Ethereum tools like Truffle to deploy and manage smart contracts on fedora. And you can also issue similar to your 20 tokens or the Iraqi 721 nonfungible tokens, or NFTs on fedora.
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Richard Carthon: Now, the only wrinkle is the EVM piece isn’t. We haven’t introduced privacy to that piece yet. So the theory is, you know, fedora does, you know, scale and transaction
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Richard Carthon: firmed, you know,
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Richard Carthon: a little bit better than Ethereum. So there might be some good utility around, you know, offering, you know, IBM support. And then eventually, you know, we will introduce more privacy to to the EVM, which will, we hope will enhance the kind of retention of some of those users. State are already utilizing some of the core technology.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah. You know, when you’re going with a lot of information with like zero proof knowledge and creating privacy and doing that as soon as you bring in the Ethereum blockchain, unfortunately, a lot of that kind of goes out the window. And so it’s very interesting to see how you’re going to be able to still have the flexibility in the the fluid fluidity of being able to like, go within these blockchains have that interoperability, but still provide that privacy. So I think, however, you’re able to create the same type of systems on your platform that play well with the theory on this could link up to more interoperability with other platforms looking for more privacy and secure ways.
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Richard Carthon: As well as that kind of the play right now is like figuring out how do we do this with that kind of thing on blockchain? And then how do we scale that to other blockchains that are out there?
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Richard Carthon: Exactly. And, you know, the way the way I look at fedora is kind of like a third generation blockchain. And what I mean by that is third generation blockchains are incredibly modular, meaning they use like different components. So like, for instance, we fedora uses Tendermint for consensus, which is a modular consensus design which can be pulled out or plugged in. And so we use that because government is hard and it’s battle tested. We think it is scales really well.
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Richard Carthon: So we decided to use that. You know, the modularity of the data storage layer and everything. So we’ve created all these modules and kind of glue them together. It helps it better for for testing and kind of more security with that within the system. You know, third generation blockchains are also interoperable. So at that layer one, extending that interoperability through trustless bridges and other ways to kind of extend, you know, into these other networks we think is really, really important.
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Richard Carthon: You know, I’ve been, you know, bitcoin is kind of a monolith in the sense that it doesn’t really work well with other networks, which is, you know, by its design, which is fine. You know, I’m still big in bitcoin, but I think the the the market needs more interoperable blockchains as well, where you start to see interconnectivity across these blockchains, which are, you know, each party is good for certain kind of use cases and attributes.
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Richard Carthon: But being able to transfer into other networks should be seamless. Unfortunately, it’s not. They’re very siloed. So I think, you know, third generation blockchains need to be more interoperable, too. And then finally, you know, you got third generation blockchain also needs to be able to support the the notion of self-sovereign identity. So that’s one thing that has been missing from a lot of blockchains. But in order to have identity, you have to have privacy.
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Richard Carthon: So that’s kind of the fourth pillar
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Richard Carthon: where, you know, privacy at the layer one can support more embedded identity at that, you know, across, you know, change.
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Richard Carthon: You can use that that identity for collateralization, everything for for DeFi in a way that you still have control over your own identity and who has access to it. So I think that’s really those are the kind of the four pillars that that we see as as these like blockchain. So that’s that’s why I think the future is, and they’ll probably be even more advanced blockchains to come out after in the future. But I think that’s the cutting edge right now.
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Richard Carthon: And I think you have a lot of great points there. And as you go back and revisit those four points and everyone listening right now recommend that you do that. It’s getting to the point where all four of those are working seamlessly, just like you said about interoperability. It’s a very hard gap to fill, in my opinion. And as we when I think about mass adoption, it’s when you have all four of those working. You don’t have to think twice about it. They’re just happening. Just like you said, the way that I like to frame it is that there’s a lot of islands that are being built and not enough bridges and the companies that are coming together to create the bridges, to merge all of these amazing islands together and build these highways so everything can flow a lot better.
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Richard Carthon: Have you been for the Bay Area? You know, the Golden Gate Bridge, how important that was for a building that is allowing a better flow of going from one side of a city to another. It’s so important that companies begin to create these bridges, which is interoperability and the four pillars you just said as people are able to create them together. That’s as that’s what I see as that next step of truly getting to a place where anyone can pick this up and start using it in a more comprehensive, secure and safe way.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, definitely. I love the British analogy, see you at the end, you have various sports teams that are know like Oakland A’s and the San Francisco Giants, which happen to both be good this year. You know, they’re they’re connected by a single bridge, right? So fans on both sides. You know, there’s a lot of tribalism in crypto. So maybe it’s a it’s a way to connect the. Exactly.
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Richard Carthon: Exactly, man. But with with that said, you know, there’s a lot going on in the greater crypto world. And you know, we talked a lot about privacy, but you know, there’s all the reoccurring every year, every bull cycle, every time it happens. One of the things that typically comes up is China banning crypto. What do you think? Why do you think this is a reoccurring thing that just keeps coming up?
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, it’s a great question, so, you know, I remember, you know, trying to first kind of took or started indicating that they were going to come out with some something regarding crypto back. And I think it was December 2013. And that was right after, you know, I had raised up to a thousand, I think per coin and and the market in all the headlines came out and everything and and then trying to follow it up in early 2014, saying they were serious about regulating cryptocurrency, then you didn’t really hear again from them until I think it was twenty seventeen, which happened to be, you know, another bull run.
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Richard Carthon: And there were a few times where, you know, the, you know, China indicated that they’re going to crack down on cryptocurrencies. And I think this is the first time they said they’re going to start cracking down on cryptocurrency exchanges, which are really the on off ramp for people to access cryptocurrency. And then, you know, again, the market crashed and then no one heard about it again. And then it wasn’t until just last year or earlier this year trying to again kind of revisited it.
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Richard Carthon: But I think what’s happening is it each time this comes out, it’s actually a build it they’re building on top of each other. It starts to kind of climb the hierarchy within know the the Chinese kind of regulatory regime.
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Richard Carthon: And this time, I think it’s actually, you know, it has some starting to have some teeth. It hasn’t quite reached the level of enforcement, but I think it is starting to be kicked around at the legislative level. And you get, you know, organizations like the the
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Richard Carthon: Chinese central bank that are starting to voice that that that they are going to regulate and ban, you know, cryptocurrencies, largely because China is piloting their version of a central bank digital currency called the digital yuan. So they want to make sure that is a one is widely adopted. They don’t want any other cryptocurrency competitors, even though they have very different utilities where bitcoin is very much what they call store value.
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Richard Carthon: It’s a volatile asset. It’s not really used that often in payment type, you know, use cases, lightning network as a as an exception. But so I think, you know, China is tightening tightening up on cryptocurrencies, largely because it wants to maintain control. And I think that, you know, you know, wants to control things, which is part of the culture. So I think, you know, it doesn’t exactly have that set of teeth yet, but I think there is starting to be some movement.
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Richard Carthon: Some of the changes have announced that they’re going to be restricting access to, you know, Chinese medicines. And you start to hear more and more of these miners based on time that are going overseas. Some are setting up shop. Ironically, in the US, early data of mine was actually at a firm of miners, and now we’re starting to see that industry return, which is, you know, I think in some respects, really good for for the US innovation.
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Richard Carthon: I think the US has its own set of issues trying to create more clarity around how, you know, the American government is going to regulate cryptocurrencies, but at least they’re not taking that strong, you know, cut like China is, and they’re starting to listen more to some of the entrepreneurs and the creators and the investors and try to be reasonable about the regulation. So it’s definitely, you know, it’s something to be concerned about. But you know, it’s I don’t think it’s these these technologies are decentralized and there will always be, you know, that decentralized element to them.
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Richard Carthon: So in some ways, they’re antifragile. They can’t really be shut down, but they can make it difficult.
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Richard Carthon: Right? A lot of great points to unpack there. The big one I’m going to take away is the CBDC. So decentralized banking, digital currency, the digital one that China is trying to do. Ultimately, they want to be able to track everything, and it’s a great way to do it. It’s all on blockchain. It’s a great way to have control over your people, and cryptocurrencies are a threat to that. So it makes sense that they’re going to slowly try to evade it. But just like you said, crypto is inevitable. You cannot stop it. People are going to keep finding ways. And I think it’s going to be going to be one of the greatest liberators for financial wealth that the world has ever seen and has already proven that it will continue to.
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Richard Carthon: So as time goes on, so I mean, when you’ve given us so much to think about you to us, a lot of great information. What is the final thought that you want to leave with all of our listeners here today?
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Richard Carthon: I probably say, you know, be sure to keep your eyes on the topic of privacy as these companies grow bigger and bigger, the fangs of the world. Privacy is becoming a bigger and bigger topic. You know, I think that as users, we have to make sure that we defend our privacy and ensure that we have control over it. And you know, it’s it’s it’s something that should be also applied to cryptocurrency.
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Richard Carthon: We don’t want to, you know, recreate the same mistakes that were made, you know, early days in the internet where, you know, just ended up with, you know, a handful of companies that kind of control a lot of the access. We want to ensure, you know, through the Web3 development that, you know, users do have more control and that that starts with with the privacy. So I would definitely encourage people to get more involved, support some of the privacy initiatives kind of across the board, inside and outside of crypto and blockchain.
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Richard Carthon: There’s a final great thought. Privacy is important, is essential to your livelihood and it’s important that you keep. We keep all furthering our our lives and how we can keep things more secure. So I appreciate that final thought. What are ways that people can connect with you and learn more about what’s going on with Pandora?
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, sure. So you can fall off door to door officials, the Twitter handle storage is the the the website for the protocol. But I have the new website. I’m on Twitter at War Paul. I definitely try to
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Richard Carthon: taper into the the the crypto Twitter every now and then. Although it can be quite interesting. Yes, it’s definitely a fun bunch. So, yeah.
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