Today Shawn Livermore joins us to discuss how you can think, speak, and create like a tech genius.
Shawn is a tech startup founder, entrepreneur, and technology consultant for over 20 years. He’s written books on software development and writes software in many programming languages. After raising investment capital for his startups 6 times, Shawn began to look beyond the code to see the bigger picture: The systems, patterns, and models of thinking that most deserve our attention. Instead of hype and hustle, Shawn focuses on tangible, factual, and replicable bits and bytes that most people wouldn’t see or pay attention to. From small fragments, Shawn can assemble larger stories, to help people think, speak, and create like a tech genius.
Shawn Livermore is the author of the Amazon best-selling business non-fiction book, Average Joe: Be the Silicon Valley Tech Genius. The book teaches anyone how to think, speak, and create like some of the brightest tech founders in the world. It dispels the myth of the tech genius, then, in a very satisfying twist, it reveals how to become the myth yourself. Shawn runs a software company and lives in Southern California.
Follow Shawn on twitter @shawnypants https://twitter.com/shawnypants
The book website is www.averagejoetechgenius.com
The slow create framework is at www.slowcreate.com
Hire him for your next software project at www.productperfect.com
*Disclaimer. None of this information is financial advice.
The following transcript was created using artificial intelligence. There will be some grammatical errors below.
00:00:04:21 – 00:00:41:03
Richard Carthon: Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Crypto Current, your host here, Richard Carthon, and today I’ve got a very special guest who just dropped a book on entrepreneurship. And so for all the Crypto and entrepreneurial leaders out there and just wanting to learn more about everything that’s happened in the technical space, man, we have a special guest. His name is Shawn Livermore. He just dropped an amazing book that goes specifically into seeing how you can learn from all the various lessons that he’s had in his over 20 years of experience. His catch line is to Help Everyone Think, Speak and Create like a Tech Genius. So, again, Shawn, thank you for joining us today.
00:00:41:06 – 00:00:42:05
Shawn Livermore: Richard, thanks for having me, man.
00:00:42:21 – 00:00:59:19
Richard Carthon: And we’re going to dive into talking about your book, Average Joe, that just dropped. I believe it’s already been an Amazon bestseller. Pretty amazing stuff, really looking forward to diving into this and learning a little bit more about all of the various things that you talk about within the book.
00:01:00:15 – 00:01:02:01
Shawn Livermore: Thanks, Rich. Yeah, let’s do it, man.
00:01:02:27 – 00:01:06:15
Richard Carthon: For sure. Well, before we get started, tell us a little bit about yourself. Give us some background.
00:01:07:08 – 00:01:28:16
Shawn Livermore: I’m born and raised in Southern California, love technology. Running a small software consulting firm called Product Perfect here and you can look us up at Productperfect.com. I have two daughters and happily married and excited about writing and technology and consulting and building software. Yeah.
00:01:28:27 – 00:01:44:03
Richard Carthon: Awesome. Well, tell us a little about how you got to writing this book. What made you want to sit down, write this out and help aspiring tech leaders and entrepreneurs to help them along their journey?
00:01:44:21 – 00:02:58:12
Shawn Livermore: You know, I just saw a lot of destructible space in the tech in and around the tech industry. I felt like there are no code solutions that are out there, you know, everything is very pseudo tech for non-professional technologists. And learning software development, learning how to enter the tech industry typically has a fairly rigorous uphill slope and trying to mitigate that effort with encouraging and inspiring moments along the journey. And I think Average Joe truly does pierce the veil of the fear and anxiety around can I do this? Can I become a technology professional? And for those in the industry, I’ve been on that side of it 20 years and seen and pitched over 130 to investors. And I know I’ve raised six rounds of funding, so I know how that side works as well. And the amount of ridiculous pride and ego and insecurity in all the peripheral noise is deafening. And so I wanted to really settle the dust and lay out a systematic way that anyone can do this. Anyone can become what we consider a “tech genius”.
00:02:59:05 – 00:03:27:00
Richard Carthon: That’s awesome. And I mean, that’s very relevant and especially for people in the Crypto and Blockchain space. One, if you’re just trying to learn more about what’s going on, but even if you have your own ambition of creating your own business or company and a lot of our listeners actually are running their own Crypto businesses. What are some of the like, good, like solid takeaways or like, who is your ideal person to come and pick this up? And like, what are the big takeaways they would get from reading Average Joe?
00:03:27:17 – 00:04:10:06
Shawn Livermore: Sure. Anyone in or around the tech industry could read this book, it requires no experience with software development. You may hear a few buzzwords in there, but it really is designed so that grandma could read the book. And it does touch on Crypto, Chapter Eight we go deep into the Bitcoin story and how that dovetails into the idea of a contrarian. But takeaways, number one is that there is no such thing as the “tech genius” is just a myth, but you can become the myth, right? So it’s a little bit of an inversion on the paradigm there. It’s like, Oh, it’s not real, but it kind of is real. And yeah, you know, Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Loch Ness Monster, all that stuff that’s just fake, but no, actually, you can become Bigfoot yourself.
00:04:10:08 – 00:04:56:20
Shawn Livermore: And I think there is more of a procedural nature to raising funds for your startup. There is a formulaic response that investors don’t even know that you’re hitting them with it, right? But you are literally practicing a craft instead of waving your magic wand, instead of spreading your magic dust, you are systematically moving through the steps of what you have spent so many years to learn. And that process is the point of the book, is to take someone from a 20 year journey to get there two down to two years to say you can actually become that very quickly if you do it this way, if you do it in this very specific recipe, you can get there. And that’s the takeaway.
00:04:57:15 – 00:05:16:19
Richard Carthon: That’s awesome. Well, as we dive into that a little bit, you know, first I want to go back to Chapter Eight. You talk specifically about Satoshi Nakamoto. Now, what was your first introduction into the Crypto space? And then like from that like moment, what made it so important to you that you wanted to include that in your book?
00:05:17:11 – 00:06:44:02
Shawn Livermore: So in 2010 I think, 29, no, 2010 I had my finger on the button on my BlackBerry Hello to purchase $300 worth of Bitcoin and it was about four bucks or something. It was ridiculous. So, but I had just failed at my one startup and I was mentally preparing to jump into a new venture and I had lost my confidence. And so I thought no, people think I’m an idiot or they’ll say, “You lost more money on something,” you know, so I don’t know why I did it, but I should have done it. But I think it was like, Let’s carry the one, I think you know, millions of dollars, right? But, the haunting of that met with my curiosity as I studied for the book and you know, we had a research research team helping me. And I learned about Satoshi Nakamoto and I learned about 2008 Halloween night, you know, he posts this anonymous cryptography message board thread and in sort of a full moon moment, you know, he just kind of mysteriously entered the scene. And it really fit the bill of what I was trying to communicate about Jeff Bezos and some of these other prominent tech figures of this contrarian mindset, you know, the ability to look at it in industry and just say, “I’m going to bulldoze you,” right?. Literally going to take you over. I’m going to take you down.
00:06:44:06 – 00:08:08:22
Shawn Livermore: You know, they call it the Bezos Look when you just kind of glance at the pharmaceutical industry and stocks just tank, you know, it’s an amazing power that he has. But him aside, there’s a lot of other figures, they just have this contrarian belief model, the CBI might call it. This ability invokes an unknowable force of will, and then they backfill the force of will with real knowledge and real data and real power, and they overcome it. And Nakamoto is a perfect example of that. You know, he looked at the global financial institutions and he gave it the finger, he just said, “Screw you, I’m going to build this.” And based on the few forensic moments that we have in the code and other articles, we really, we see his personality leak out in a few places, not much, but just a few places where he criticizes the bank bailouts, you know. And it’s interesting to kind of see some of those old posts that we include in the book. We kind of dissect them a little bit and, you know, we talk about Papa John’s, the $94,000,000 Papa John’s Pizza, 10,000 Bitcoin. I think it’s probably one hundred and something million in today’s value, but anyway, it was an inspiring story that really codified and personified this contrarian mindset.
00:08:09:17 – 00:08:36:25
Richard Carthon: So let’s expand on the contrarian mindset, because I agree, like the fact that you have a disrupter like Cryptocurrency. So a true disruptor of how money is perceived and used, right? What do you find in these, I want to say founders or these people that are leading the charge in newer technologies? How does starting that or having that belief then help them with their business or whatever it is that they’re ultimately trying to achieve?
00:08:37:23 – 00:09:13:18
Shawn Livermore: Well, I think being a leader in anything, right? On the bell curve of early adopters is to your benefit. The narrowness of your focus and having that bleeding edge technical prowess is very valuable, investors like it. You’ve got to break the rules, you’ve got to bend your paradigms so you can get there faster. So I think in so many tangible and intangible ways, you do yourself a favor by knowing all the new stuff. But I really think the more important question is what rules do you have to break? What lines do you have to cross?
00:09:13:20 – 00:10:10:21
Shawn Livermore: And when I say, you know, rules to break, good trouble is the wonderful senator’s phrase. I’m just trying to think of great examples of that. But I remember Richard Branson’s famous quote, “You don’t learn to walk by following the rules,” right? So you have to find your way in spite of existing structures. What does that look like? Well, it depends. If you’re in agriculture technology, it looks one way. If you’re in finance and fintech, it looks very different. We do though, know that structures are meant to manipulate and push us into their box, whoever owns the structure, right? So game theory and you know, all these power struggles. And you can go anywhere with this dialogue, but it’s really important to know what structure you’re working and what operating system you’re contained within so that you can know how to persevere and poke through it and get out of that bubble, you know.
00:10:11:11 – 00:10:50:18
Richard Carthon: A lot of reasons that entrepreneurs get into any space period is they identify a problem and they want to go and fix it or they see an opportunity and they go all in and they want to address this one thing. So to all the people who are like trying to identify, have identified a problem and they’re like, All right, I want to go pursue this thing, I want to disrupt. What have you found to be some of the best ways or first steps to take either mentally just to be like, Okay, I’m just going to go for it or like, ll right, you’ve gone for it, now, like next steps of here are some first things I can start doing to make sure that I’m moving towards actually solving this thing.
00:10:51:25 – 00:11:13:16
Shawn Livermore: I think the most important thing that I’ve learned is not intelligence. In Chapter Two, we talk about how intelligence is not the thing. It’s a thing, but it’s not the thing. It’s not creativity because you can learn how to be creative, you can learn how to improve your creativity. In Chapter Three, we talk about that. We introduce a new ideation approach and how to do that for anyone. But it’s really proximity.
00:11:14:20 – 00:12:11:17
Shawn Livermore: It’s really proximity, because if you’re proximal to people who are going places faster than you are and know things you don’t know, you get to ride in their jet stream and you are a part of that glow, that halo effect extends to you. And I think being proximal to and zoom makes it a little weird. But being in the room, quote unquote, with the right folks, that is your secret weapon because it’s not about who you know, it’s about who knows you. And on top of that, it’s not about who knows you, it’s who likes you, who wants to be around you, who wants to hear your voice. And that’s not easily achieved, right? You got to go through a lot of buddies on your tech buddy list to get it down, distill it down to a core set of tech buddies that you could see yourself hanging out with for a very long period of time, building something very important. Handling money and building a company and building a team, you know? So I think proximity really.
00:12:11:27 – 00:12:57:17
Richard Carthon: Something I want to add to that, just with proximity and something else that you brought up, like it’s not about who you know, it’s who knows you. Something I really enjoy about the Crypto community is that we are very outgoing, we are very in the sense of welcoming of, Hey, you want to learn about a thing, we’ll tell you. Here are the next steps, here’s ways that you can do X, Y, Z. Living in a COVID world, living in an international world as big as the Crypto community is and are, find your communities that you can be involved with and ask questions, engage and find someone that you can learn from. Do you have any advice or suggestions on like, what are some good ways to get in proximity of the people or the places that you want to be? Like what are some good steps to get that done?
00:12:58:20 – 00:13:11:12
Shawn Livermore: I think it’s a huge question. In the age of COVID, I’ll say in two answers. One is today, with COVID ramping, right? Spiking and everything, everyone’s freaking out and then two, is tomorrow when we’re all vaccinated feeling good going places again.
00:13:11:14 – 00:13:11:29
Richard Carthon: Right.
00:13:12:01 – 00:13:34:27
Shawn Livermore: Today, I think joining these online sessions and chatting, being a part of that is probably as good as it’s going to get. You could show up to some of these things with a mask on, but no one’s you know, it’s stay away, so it’s not a good thing. So I think now is the time for preparation. Now’s the time to build that personal portfolio website to get your brand out there to know who you are online. SEO ranked, all that good stuff.
00:13:36:00 – 00:14:10:04
Shawn Livermore: Number two and separately, I think showing up at these events, you know, you may think Ah, this is a total waste of my time, I’m an introvert, I’m a developer, I’m a technology professional, don’t bother me with actual talking heads. You know, people, you want me to go around people? Oh, my gosh, what a waste of my time. No, actually, it’s really powerful and it’s an exponentially valuable use of your time because you have to look at their whole spectrum of knowledge and that you have gaps in your world and they can fill in every one, almost every one of your gaps if you just know what questions to ask the right people, right? You may spend two years trying to yeah.
00:14:10:27 – 00:14:46:19
Richard Carthon: Let’s stay on that real quick, cause I believe that’s really important to be asking good questions. So I feel just through the interviews I’ve been able to do and being in certain rooms, you learn that the people that are listening, but then like to steer the conversation a certain way, ask really good questions and ask and harp on certain things. What are some ways that people can learn and start figuring out, asking better questions and asking the questions that are going to ultimately help them learn, but also get them in better positions to be seen as someone who is forward thinking?
00:14:48:06 – 00:15:30:05
Shawn Livermore: I think outcome based conversation is important when you’re walking up to folks and you don’t know exactly how to work that room. Not everyone’s a sales and marketing person with perfect teeth, you know, not everyone has the right way. Some of us just feel awkward, right? And that’s to our benefit, because we’re all up in our heads building amazing technology, right? So we can’t be good at everything, but I think knowing in advance, what outcome you are looking for. Do you just want them to like you or do you want them to give your contact information or collaborate? Or do you just want to ask them a question or do you want to just get another donut from the refreshment table? So know what you’re after and then I think two, be open minded.
00:15:31:07 – 00:16:07:05
Shawn Livermore: I’m certain that half of all the contacts I’ve ever made were by accident or through another tangential or transit of kind of A + B = C moment. You really don’t know who your next co-founder is, right? So it could be some guy in the corner, you have no idea. You just have to meet as many people as you have time for and I think the sustainable mustique triad in Chapter 11 really ties into this, because I teach in the book how anyone can communicate. It’s hard to communicate. Even doing this is really hard, right? I got to coach myself and talk myself into it.
00:16:07:07 – 00:17:18:00
Shawn Livermore: But learning how to string together a series of thought that someone can consume from their world, right? From all that’s going on up in here is difficult for tech professionals. Bitcoin, try explaining Bitcoin to people, right? Y’all know, everyone who’s listening is like, Oh, god, yeah, that’s true. Try then going into the multiple facets of the other versions of Crypto and they’re already lost. They’re like, Okay, I think it’s some sort of Crypto something, that’s it. They’re not getting anything else you say, they’re gone, they’re law, they’ve shut off. But the sustainable message thread allows you to have a narrow focus working on an interesting problem with articulate speech using certain speech paradigms. And anyone can learn this triangle and anyone can apply it in conversation, in pitching to investors, in talking to friends and family, in explaining to your wife what you worked on today. I mean, there’s just so many use cases. Or husband, sorry. So many uses for that. But I think that staying very narrowly focused on solving a very interesting problem and using just the right, just like a pitch, when you pitch to investors, you practice that over and over and over. So when you explain your work to people, it needs to be a pitch, right?
00:17:18:24 – 00:17:19:09
Richard Carthon: Yeah.
00:17:19:11 – 00:17:51:14
Shawn Livermore: Always be selling, ABS, right? You’re just, your persona has to be codified and crystallized in as few words as possible with the most potency as humanly possible so that they remember Richard Carthon. And they say, you know what, that guy knew this one thing with this one issue and I will never forget the conversation we had. He was so articulate, the most articulate person I’ve ever talked to, and they are the number one person on their list when they go to start a company or hire an architect or developer or whatever you might be doing, right?
00:17:52:02 – 00:18:49:23
Richard Carthon: Agreed. I’ve had this conversation with multiple founders, and one of the challenges that they have is effective communication. And like you have all of this just knowledge and like, go, go, go execution like in your brain, but it’s then hard to conceptualize it in such a way that you can get someone else to pick it up and start working with you. And one of the things I’ve really enjoyed through Crypto Current is really refining my communication skills and being able to refine what some people come on the show and say that are really complicated and then trying to like stream it back, like unpack it to where any and everyone can understand like what’s going on. To that fact and to that matter, you know, one of the other subjects that I know you talked really well on is being able to effectively fundraise. And I also have gone through that with my own startups and it’s a very, very challenging thing to do. What are some good action items or good steps that people who are listening can actively be doing if they’re trying to fundraise right now for their own startups?
00:18:50:13 – 00:19:58:05
Shawn Livermore: Fundraising is huge. Ray Rothrock, I’ll read this quote, “Good entrepreneurs can bust through walls, they can climb mountains, they can do whatever it takes.” He’s a venture capitalist. This other quote comes from a very famous venture capitalist, Tim Draper. It says “Entrepreneurs are building a groundswell, they’re magicians.” They essentially create something out of nothing, right? That’s a lot of pressure, how do you live up to that? And yet they expect that out of us, right? And I think, there’s two roads, you come to the fork in the road. On the left, you have I must be a magician. I must be a magic maker, I must be a miracle worker, be mysterious. I don’t want to be mysterious, I barely know what I’m doing here. On the right is continue to work your craft, continue to become an expert and learn how to get to that level of mastery over craft right? And then get in the right rooms and learn how to communicate well. Well that’s the path that I’d like to take because the magic dust, it eventually is a binary question is am I a magician? Am I a genius or am I not?
00:19:58:07 – 00:21:04:24
Shawn Livermore: And on my best day, even on my best day, I do not feel like a magician, I do not feel like a genius. I might have a good IQ, who knows? I don’t even, you know, my wife’s vocabulary is better than mine. I’m learning every day how much I don’t know. But if I work my craft and I focus very narrowly in a groove and I put myself in the right room with the right people, and I narrowly focus on one specific project, solving one problem for a very finite group of people, I can raise money on that. And if I can raise around a seed round, then there’s a one out of ten chance you could probably raise around A and move on. And once you raise around A, certainly there are all the statistics that’ll work against you, but you’re way farther ahead than where you were way back there. So I feel like that mental model of not trying to be what the venture capitalists look for, but being what works and what actually builds a business. And they’ll tag along, they’ll ride your coattails, you just have to convince them that it’s a little more sweat equity than it is magic dust.
00:21:05:09 – 00:21:41:27
Richard Carthon: Yeah. And I think that’s important to have a vision and also be able to know that you’re going to pivot, you’re going to keep learning and adjusting, but to narrow your focus and to like lock in on a thing that you really, really want. Just speaking to Crypto Current, you know, as y’all know, this is my own podcast, my own startup doing whatever. What’s been great has been narrowing the focus and getting really great thought leaders to come on and share and to teach me, right? So by teaching me, I’m also being able to teach others and I’m able to take what I’ve learned from multiple conversations and then regurgitate it back to other people in a very refined way that makes sense.
00:21:42:04 – 00:22:42:05
Richard Carthon: And so for everyone listening, you know, what I think has been great about Shawn being on today and just a lot of the other speakers that come on, we talk to the entrepreneurial spirits out there and for everyone that’s listening and trying to find ways to give you action items on things that you can do today to spark curiosity, but then to be able to execute and act on them. What’s really great about what’s going on with Shawn and everything that he has going on with this book, The Average Joe, he’s giving you those action items, those next steps, so that you can continue to grow your own business, your own startup. And take the 20 years, like you said, the 20 years of information that he’s been able to accumulate and then give it to you in such a way that you can do it in two. And I think that is extremely powerful and I think it’d be really cool to go check it out and to get some of those takeaways so that you can continue to progress and just move that much faster by being with the thought leaders that we are bringing on this show, because it is extremely powerful to get this knowledge and to then use it and keep growing.
00:22:44:03 – 00:22:46:13
Shawn Livermore: Awesome, thank you, Richard. It was a lot of fun.
00:22:47:29 – 00:23:05:22
Richard Carthon: And on that note, you know, I know that you’ve spoken to a ton of people and a kind of last segment that I want to kind of speak on is you’ve had the opportunity to meet a lot of amazing people throughout your career, do you have any memorable conversations with people? And like what were some of the big, like nuggets that you’re able to snag from those conversations?
00:23:06:19 – 00:24:39:24
Shawn Livermore: Gosh, I remember in TechStars Accelerator like Y Combinator, if you’ve ever heard of it? We were pitching and I remember there was my buddy Jeremy runs a company, I think is they raise like $50,000,000 or something around B. Anyway, he was in the program and he didn’t have a pitch deck ready, it wasn’t kind of going well and, you know, I thought, Oh, gosh, well my pitch is going to blow his out of the water and he’s not even ready. And so I hustled and I hired an animator and I got this great PowerPoint going. It was just beautiful, you know, spectacular, the messaging. I felt the fonts were perfect. Come demo day, yeah, they didn’t pitch. He was gone, nobody knew. It was like, Oh, he must have flaked out. Come to find out, he was pitching to venture capitalists before the program was even over. He raised like $5,000,000 before anyone else had done pitching and he’s sitting in the back smiling, you know. And I didn’t get to raise millions of dollars, it didn’t work out on that on that round, on that program, on that project. We raised a lot of seed money, but it didn’t go to round A. And now I think, you know, they’re valuing the company at Ridiculous Data Robot. The company is a great company. He’s a great guy, brilliant man and team, wonderful, wonderful guys. Can’t say enough good things about them, but it just blows my mind. You don’t know, you just don’t know.
00:24:39:26 – 00:26:29:22
Shawn Livermore: And it’s not about, you know, the velocity, it’s about aim and calibration. And I remember talking to the CEO and founder of Rackspace, billionaire, owns half of Texas it seems. I don’t know, he’s a nice guy and we were talking about startups and he had some interesting thoughts. Gosh, I wish I could remember everything he said, but there is a value in people, I think, that he had and I appreciated that about him. And I’m trying to think of who else, Morgan, Super Size Me, my buddy Morgan had some interesting thoughts on tech space and yeah, I’m sorry, I don’t have any others on top of my head. But I’m honored and humbled to just be in the industry and in proximity, right? I mean, I didn’t know what would happen if I joined TechStars, but I did it. And from that spawned all these other relationships and friendships and in learning and thoughts and ideas that sparked and one thing leads to another. In everything we do in life, I believe it’s a very transitive, transitive property of congruence, you know, A to B and B to C, so A is equal to C or whatever. So, but there’s this transitive nature to everything we do and, the unknowable, the unknown unknowns. It’s like you just have to get outside of that bubble, that home office, you know, post COVID I hope. You’ve got to get on Zoom, you’ve got to continue to engage with people and carve it out into your schedule because that 10 percent or 20 percent of your schedule that you carve out will save you decades of your life going down the wrong roads because other people are meant to help you craft that master plan.
00:26:29:27 – 00:27:11:12
Richard Carthon: No doubt. Thank you for sharing some of those conversations and the importance of having a network with these amazing people, but then have takeaways that you can then go act on. I know that my very first startup I was in, I used to go to like networking events to try to get a nugget or two that would just get me out of my funk. Something would click in my head and then I would have enough energy or whatever to like go another month strong, another quarter strong, like with the next thing. And then, just keep on finding that next piece, the next element to then go and continue the good work that you’re doing. But again, Shawn, appreciate the time you’ve been able to spend with us. What is a final thought that you want to leave with all of our listeners here today?
00:27:12:20 – 00:27:57:02
Shawn Livermore: Final thought is, hype and hustle completely should dissipate and all of your energy and focus should not be in the calories you’re burning, but the calibrated aim of your work. And so if you can strip out all the energy, Oh, I’m really excited about this thing, Crypto and all. Well, that’s great. Just to silence you down to quiet, write it in three sentences and send it in an email. Is it still exciting, right? Just completely remove all the energy, all the color from the canvas and in black and white terms on a canvas show me the value of what you’re working on and if you have to take a real critical eye to everything you invest time into. I mean, you really have to scrutinize your own work, so I don’t know.
00:27:57:22 – 00:28:37:26
Shawn Livermore: Final thought, just chew on that. You might be going in the wrong direction. That should keep you up at night, right? And how do you mitigate that? There’s a lot of tools, but you play every possible tool to curb the efforts you’re pouring into your startup, curb it. And the sooner you come to a realization that it’s not quite calibrated right, the sooner you can back the car up and go the right direction. Doesn’t mean you start over, doesn’t mean all is lost. Nothing is lost, you know, everything is additive. Everything continues to pile up. And experientially you progress, but definitely check yourself often.
00:28:38:23 – 00:28:40:04
Richard Carthon: Yeah, I think that’s great.
00:28:40:26 – 00:28:41:15
Shawn Livermore: Yeah.
00:28:41:17 – 00:29:36:15
Richard Carthon: One of the things that I make sure that I’m constantly doing is at the end of the month, kind of reflecting and looking at all the things that like went well, what didn’t. And, what is serving the vision and the goals that I have in place. And I think that what you just said puts a good bow on just constantly reflecting on like where I am, does this serve me and what should I be actively moving towards that I say that I want and like is that goal even still the same? Has it changed? Is where your aiming need to go in a different direction? And that’s fine. You just have to sit down to think about it. So I really think that’s a great final thought to leave with everyone here today. Everyone listening, I know this is a little bit of a different conversation that we typically have, but I hope you found it extremely impactful. It’s always good to get another perspective, another thing to be thinking very heavily on. So, again, Shawn, thank you for coming to share this information. What are some ways that people can connect with you and learn a little bit more about what you have going on?
00:29:37:16 – 00:29:47:29
Shawn Livermore: Thanks, Rich. Yeah, AverageJoeTechGenius.com is the book website, ProductPerfect.cot is our software company. You follow me on Twitter. ShawnyPants and that’s it.
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Richard Carthon: Awesome. Well, again, Shawn, thank you so much for your time today. And for everyone listening, stay Crypto Current.
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