Julian Sawyer joins us to discuss how Bitstamp is the original global crypto exchange since 2011.
Julian joins Bitstamp from Gemini, where he was the Managing Director for Europe. Prior to that, he built an extensive career in traditional finance as the co-founder of Starling Bank, where he served as Chief Operating Officer until 2019, overseeing the expansion of business services and growing Starling into one of the largest mobile banks in the U.K.
Prior to this, he served as a consultant and advisor to other challenger banks and founded Bluerock Consulting, a financial management consulting firm which he successfully sold. In addition to becoming Bitstamp’s CEO, Julian is also an advisor to the board of the leading Australian challenger bank, Volt, and an Honorary Senior Visiting Fellow at CASS Business School’s Faculty of Management.
Julian’s expertise in the complexities of global finance makes him uniquely suited to lead Bitstamp into its next chapter. He understands the possibilities that cryptocurrency holds for the world and how to integrate it with existing financial structures. He was chosen after an extensive global search to find Nejc Kodrič’s successor after Bitstamp’s founder decided it was time for him to transition into a less hands-on role with the company.
The following transcript was created using artificial intelligence. There will be some grammatical errors below.
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Richard Carthon: Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Crypto Current, your host here, Richard Carthon and today I got a guest all the way down Slovenia working on a project that you all might be very familiar with. We have Julian with Bitstamp. How are you doing today?
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Julian Sawyer: I’m doing great. Thank you, Richard.
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Richard Carthon: Of course. We’ll thank you for joining us, we’re excited to learn more about all the amazing things you have going on with Bitstamp. But before we do, we want to learn more about you. Can you give us some background on yourself?
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Julian Sawyer: Yeah, sure. I joined Bitstamp in March this year as the CEO. Prior to that, I was a co-founder of Starling Bank, which is one of the challenger banks in the U.K. And over four or five years that I was there, I was chief operating officer, really trying to understand how to transform an industry with FinTech, but also to challenge the customer experience and do something amazing for retail banking. And prior to that, I was a management consultant for 20 years, so I’m very good at PowerPoint.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, it’s important, especially as like you said, if you’re trying to change a growing industry and put traditional finance on its head, you’ve got to make those PowerPoints, so the corporate world understands what’s going on. For sure. Well, what was your first introduction to the Crypto space? Like, what even piqued your interest?
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Julian Sawyer: It was when I was at Starling’s. So, first of all, I just got involved in buying a bit of Bitcoin, not enough unfortunately, with the price it is today. And then, we started talking to some of the exchanges in terms of being able to provide banking services and really seeing the start of that merging between traditional financial services and also the world of Crypto. And so, then when I left Starling, it was a obvious industry to explore a little bit more about whether I should go and working there.
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Richard Carthon: Definitely. And it’s cool how you transition from that kind of opportunity and company over into something like Bitstamp. You know, what made you want to take over as CEO for Bitstamp?
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Julian Sawyer: Well, I think there’s two parts to this. I think one is the Crypto is the fastest part of financial services, the fastest growing, the most exciting. That’s where I like to be as an individual and I think we can do some amazing stuff. Bitstamp has been around for 10 years. It’s our 10th birthday this month. We are the oldest exchange in the world. We’ve got a great brand with some amazing stuff. And then when I started to meet the team and the investors and the board, we really got excited about what we’ve got and what we’re going to do. So for me, it was a no brainer. It was like, yep, this is the team to go and change the world with.
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Richard Carthon: Definitely, and with it, I feel like Bitstamp has done a lot to kind of keep innovating its platform, making the onboarding journey a lot more user friendly. What are some of the things that are kind of on the roadmap to keep making that new user experience great so you can keep bringing in and expanding Crypto adoption?
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Julian Sawyer: Yeah, I think you’re right. We’ve done an awful lot of work in terms of the customer experience, etc. And I think one of the things that when you look at what FinTech is, it is about delivering a great customer experience to the customers, whether they’re consumers or institutions. So, we should always be thinking about how we innovate, etc. So, we’ve got a whole range of things.
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Julian Sawyer: We’ve got a lot of new assets that are coming out. A couple of weeks ago, we launched Euro Tether, which is the sister or brother of USDT, which is obviously, you know, such a huge token within this world. So for us, being the launch partner of Euro Tether is brilliant. They’ll be a whole range of more assets. But we also want to develop the business and we’ve got some very exciting plans, which in due course I’ll be able to share with you, Richard.
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Richard Carthon: Absolutely. And one of the beautiful things right now is that we’re seeing, even as you’re kind of making the Euro version of Tether, you’re starting to see a lot of the stablecoins that are starting to hit the market and various facets of the world. Do you think that we’re going to see more stablecoins kind of pop up around, or do you still think that a lot of pairs are going to ultimately still point to like a Bitcoin or Ethereum?
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Julian Sawyer: I think there’s a lot more that can be done in the stablecoin arena and I don’t think we are at the end of the journey. And I think it goes back to what are we trying to do with stablecoins and what are we trying to solve in financial services with this product. And so, clearly, you wouldn’t want to get paid with a highly volatile stock like Bitcoin. However, with a stablecoin, I could be paid, I could be making payments, I can pay my supplier, I can sell my products. And that becomes really interesting once you see those use cases for what you can do.
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Julian Sawyer: And as an example, we did a partnership with KPG, which is a property company in New York, where their customers were saying, can we pay by, you know, digital assets and it’s like, yes. So, they work with us and so, you can now pay your rent in New York with USDC or Bitcoin, whatever you want. I’m not against solved problems that people are doing. So, I think we shouldn’t be talking about this from a technology side, it is what is the problem that we’re trying to address here? And I think when you look at some of the issues and costs and time frames in traditional financial services and I’m talking remittance payments, I’m talking cross-border, I’m talking supply chain, then we can really, really do something that is exciting.
00:05:36:06 – 00:06:04:14
Julian Sawyer: What I would hope is we get to a place and we’re not far away where actually we don’t talk about stablecoins or Crypto assets, we’re talking about how we are solving problems and it’s just the underlying technology that is the Blockchain and the interpretation and the application of that. So, I think we’re right at the beginning. We’ve got a lot of partners who are doing some really, really interesting use cases and applications for stablecoins and I think we’re going to have a very exciting future on this.
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Richard Carthon: I agree. And you brought up a really good point where I think we also need to eventually get away from whether we talk about stablecoins, whether we talk about Crypto assets, but like you said, it’s underlying technology. Ultimately, this is going to improve the livelihoods of a lot of people. I think this is going to be one of the greatest access to wealth and creating generational wealth that humans have ever seen, right? And one of the challenges kind of like you brought up was the ability to be able to pay for things, do it cross-border and do it quickly and do it in a secure way that can have all of that done. And one of the most reliable ways that we’re starting to see is through Crypto.
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Richard Carthon: And on that same kind of conversation, I saw that y’all recently, you know, released your credit and debit card. You know, how has that been received in the market and how has that been going so far?
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Julian Sawyer: So, what we’ve done is accepted debit and credit cards as a way of funding your Bitstamp account of Bitstamp. And we think this is a really good way that if people are wanting to be in the market, they don’t want to do an HCH, they don’t want to do a bank transfer because of the time it takes and it really enables us to hit the market quickly. The customer says, Yep, I just want to go and trade, I see something exciting, I see an opportunity and they can do that. And that is just again, helping the customer experience. The more barriers, the more friction that we put into a process, the harder it is and the less engaged people are going to be.
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Richard Carthon: Right. You got to take away the friction. And there’s so many barriers that you see on a lot of other exchanges. Unfortunately, that kind of like, make people stop before they even get through all the process. What have you noticed kind of through the years of, you know, being in this game for a decade? You having been released in 2011, being one of the original exchanges out there, what do you think have been some of the biggest growing pains and lessons that have helped expedite being able to onboard these new users?
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Julian Sawyer: I think it’s about education and it’s an education about why people want to be on board with an exchange. And then, it’s about the process that is required. Now, if you were going to open a bank account and it didn’t ask you for any identification, no security protocols, you’d go, This doesn’t feel like a bank, they’re probably going to steal my money, yeah? We’re a financial services company, we’re regulated both in New York and also in Luxembourg. You know, we have to comply and we absolutely want to comply with all the best regulations, so, what we have to do is explain to people why that’s important.
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Julian Sawyer: And if we’re going to look after your money on the exchange, we need to make sure that we have put the right steps in place to ensure it is there. The other piece that I think is interesting is when we’re starting to see the evolution of our customers. So, you know, it would be a few years ago that we would’ve said, you know, it was a very, very high penetration of males, probably in their 20s and slightly higher income. And, you know, the classic, and by the way the classic is they play computer games. Wow, that amazing insight.
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Richard Carthon: Right, thanks so much.
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Julian Sawyer: But actually what we’re now seeing is a whole range of different age and also gender as well. So, in the last six months, we’ve had a 50 percent increase in America of women coming onto our exchange. That is interesting also that they’re trading at the same level the guys are, okay? So, while they have a different typically a different risk and financial appetite, they’re actually now trading in the same way. So, we’re seeing some really interesting things.
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Julian Sawyer: The other piece that I think is super interesting is the mix between the coins that we’re seeing. So, you know, if I put this kind of simply in January, if we had $1 of Ethereum, we had $4 in Bitcoin. Now, for every dollar in Ethereum, we only have $2 a Bitcoin. So, we’re seeing that Ethereum is becoming a major player in its own right, not because the whole market has moved up, but the proportion has moved up. And so, one of the things I’m keen to ensure is that we’re talking wider than just pure Bitcoin.
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Julian Sawyer: Yes, it is the dominant force, but there’s a whole range of other use cases, different assets out there that are changing. We’re proportions of people who have never traded Bitcoin, but are using other digital assets. Now, three years ago, four years ago, you wouldn’t have expected that. That would have been an illogical place to have been, but now, we’re seeing the ecosystem opening up and I think that shows a lot of the strength of this asset class that is different than perhaps we saw, you know, three or four years ago.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah. You bring up, I want to spend a lot of time right there. So, a lot of people, there first intersection into Crypto, most of them know Bitcoin. And a lot of them, Bitcoin maximalists out there say it’s the only coin, it’s the only thing you should be paying attention to. But just like you said, over time, instead of it being four to one, it’s now two to one and I think there’s a chance in the future it could even flip.
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Richard Carthon: When you look at entire market capitalization, if you look at use cases, in 2021 right now, this year, one of the big talking points has been NFTs, non-fungible tokens and a lot of that entry has been through Ethereum. So, a lot of people who even own a NFT or have spoken about NFTs, a lot of it has everything to do with the Ethereum ecosystem. And as that kind of opens the minds of people saying like, Oh, there’s other things out there besides Bitcoin, I agree with you that that’s just going to keep expanding activity that we’re seeing in the market, but then also also overall market capitalization. As more money flows in, it doesn’t all just go to Bitcoin and I think that is a healthy thing for the entire Crypto market.
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Julian Sawyer: And I think it changes the volatility story. It changes some of the green story and ecology story and I just think it’s a healthy conversation that says Cryptocurrencies and the technology have a huge number of different use cases that are out there. And it’s not all one story, so, actually we should be talking about some of the other assets that we’re doing and that we’ve got and what did they do and how do they help. And again, this is where we’re just at the beginning, we’re just at the beginning of this evolution in terms of how do you use this technology for good to solve real world problems. And I think this is where it becomes exciting.
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Richard Carthon: Definitely. And while we’re on the topic of banking and how that’s been evolving, you know, we’re starting to see this evolution of DeFI, decentralized finance, and all the ways that people are having more access to tools that generally only the wealthy would have in a traditional financial sense, right? The opportunity to be able to get loans against your Crypto and then having ways of being able to kind of grow and expand in that capacity. How do you think Bitstamp is positioning itself to be able to embrace some of the things that are happening in the DeFi world?
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Julian Sawyer: Yeah, I think it’s a really good question. I think if you look at what DeFi is, first of all, it’s a really interesting piece of technology and that has a huge future. Now, at the moment, there is a difference. You can call it an arbitrage opportunity between what can happen in DeFI and what can happen in traditional financial services in terms of a return on your assets or lending, etc. But what we see and we’re seeing more and more evidence is these two worlds are coming together.
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Julian Sawyer: They’re not diverging, they are absolutely coming together. Why? We’re the regulated exchange, that Bitstamp regulated, which means AML, KYC, etc. We can be the bridge, the gateway into that DeFi world, which does not have that. We know that the regulators are looking at the whole world of digital assets in one form way.
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Richard Carthon: Right.
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Julian Sawyer: We can’t move at the moment from the daily press to find there’s another angle that is being played on. That actually is a really helpful thing. That really is to ensure that we can give protection to consumers and we have a level playing field where everybody’s working to the same agenda, that is good. As DeFi continues to increase, the regulators will start looking at it. We know what they would look at. They would look at KYT, KYC, AML, etc., and that’s our strengths at Bitstamp.
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Julian Sawyer: So, we see these two things coming together and then that creates a real opportunity to provide, again, customers with products that solve their problems, but they don’t need to be Crypto experts. And if you can do that in a safe and secure way, that becomes incredibly powerful for them, incredibly enabling for them in their personal lives or their corporate lives and it just changes the conversation. So, I don’t see this as a DeFi vs. centralized conversation at all, it is, how will this evolve to serve the customer. And I think that serving the customer is important. When you look at that traditional sort of bell curve, which is, you know, you got innovators and early adopters, then you’ve got the mass market.
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Julian Sawyer: I think we’re getting to mass market for a Bitcoin and Ethereum type product, but in terms of DeFi, we’re still in that innovator, early adopter. And the way we’re going to get across the chasm, as it’s called, is by making it really simple and putting it into language that the average consumer understands. So, we shouldn’t be talking about hash rates or mining, you know, even the word custody doesn’t kind of validate. It’s a vault, it’s a safe. That’s where I put my money, that’s why I put my belongings, etc.
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Julian Sawyer: And so, I think there’s a whole story there of how we evolved from that innovation space, which is super important as we flex and change what is there into that mass market and we’re tipping into that right now. We’re seeing a lot of people, a lot of customers coming into Bitstamp who have not engaged before, have not been in Crypto, are curious because their friends, their family, their relations are starting to talk about it and they think, How do I do this? What is interesting when you look at regulation, a bit of a theme there, we’re also seeing a flight to safety where we’re seeing people are coming to us as a regulated exchange because of that safety and security. So obviously, there’s a lot of things in the press about some of the other exchanges, the ones that perhaps not quite as regulated in the UK. There’s been quite a bit of activity from the FCA. We’ve seen numbers in the UK double in the last four weeks, okay?
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Richard Carthon: Wow.
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Julian Sawyer: So, that is people who are going, Oh okay, not all exchanges are the same, some are better than others, which ones do we go to. The ones that have got that maturity, that regulatory, that compliance. So, we’re seeing that shift happening as well, which I think is very powerful.
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Richard Carthon: I think so, too, and I think you did a really eloquent way of like, breaking a lot of that down. Something I want to add to it that I think can add some more flavor to it as well is when you think about what Robin Hood has been able to accomplish when it comes to traditional finance, right? Of being able to upend and basically instead of you having to get these fees for every single trade that you do, and capturing the new age of people that are kind of starting to enter the market, you know, the Millennials, your Gen Zer’s, etc. Being able to create such a user interface and a connection of being able to have access to things like options trading and futures and other things like that and pursuing it in a way, I think where that blend happens, kind of like you were just saying between traditional finance and DeFi, is having your entry point like a Bitstamp and then be able to connect it to one of these centralized finance type of opportunities. And in that way, you have the bridge between a lot of the newer age opportunities, but still the path through traditional, so, that you have like, the full circle of what it kind of takes to get into the industry as a whole.
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Julian Sawyer: Yes, absolutely. If you can get the route to market, if you can get that clarity and simplicity, you have a different customer experience. I mean, again, you just go back to where technology has in any industry which has fundamentally transformed a traditional industry by looking at what the customer is doing, changing the dynamics, changing the question that’s being asked, you will get to a different place. And that’s where going back to your first question, you know, Why Crypto? And then why Bitstamp? This is the fastest growing part of financial services. It’s the most exciting and that’s why you and I are here, because it’s great.
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Richard Carthon: One hundred percent, man. Love this industry, love this place. And it allows a lot of really smart people who are seeing where the world is headed to be able to create a path to get everyone else to capitalize on this opportunity as well. And, you know, kind of in that regard, you’ve been in the space for a long time, you’ve been able to see how it has matured. You’ve seen some ups and downs in the markets, you’ve seen the bull cycles, everything else. And this last one has been extremely interesting.
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Richard Carthon: Where do you think as a whole, where do you think the Crypto universe, the Crypto market is headed in let’s say the next two to four years? Like, what do you think from where we are right now to like, where things are headed, what we’re going to start seeing change in the environment?
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Julian Sawyer: Yeah. I thought you were going to ask me a slightly different question, which is what is the price in the years time of Bitcoin?
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Richard Carthon: I don’t go for price.
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Julian Sawyer: One of the things, you know, we’re an exchange, the price is the price, we’re not going to overtalk that, as some other people do. And I think, you know, I think it’s the themes that we’ve talked about in terms of the breadth of assets increasing. Therefore, there are more options. Therefore, it’s not a one trick pony in terms of it’s only talking about Bitcoin. I’m seeing a lot of use cases. A lot of companies are creating some fantastic technologies and solving problems that will come into the market and really, really help.
00:20:30:02 – 00:20:59:28
Julian Sawyer: We’ve just done a deal with a British company called ZEBEDEE, which helps computer game manufacturers to monetize their games. So if you’re on Counter-Strike, for instance, you could use ZEBEDEE to be able to buy your assets that you want in the game, but you bought it on Bitcoin at Bitstamp. Now, why is that important? You know, the game manufacturer does not want to worry about being a payments institution, does not want to care about cards and chargebacks and fraud and multi-currency, they just want the dollar, okay?
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Richard Carthon: Yes.
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Julian Sawyer: They want the dollar that pay for engineers, software engineers to write more code, more games, more levels, etc., brilliant. So, what our partnership with ZEBEDEE is doing is ensuring we’re introducing a whole bunch of people who play computer games into the world of Bitcoin, not because they want to get into Bitcoin, because on the weekend they want to play Counter-Strike and we will see things with that. We have one of the coins is Audio, which is for music producers and artists to be able to do things and for you and I to be able to buy differently than via Spotify or Apple Music or whatever, that becomes really interesting. So, we’re starting to see some of these more vertical assets where we are that’s going to solve the problem. You know, the BAT token, which is from BRAVE.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah.
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Julian Sawyer: Means actually I’m now starting to get rewarded for reading content. That’s a nice vertical, computer games music. Yeah, this is where over the next few years we’ll have these solutions come out, we’ll have some very, very exciting companies and, you know, we want to play in the mix in there because we have a role to play and we want to have an ecosystem where these people are working with Bitstamp to take their ideas to market. So, I think we’re going to have a chat in the years time, Richard, which is going to be Wow, think of the breadth of things that are now under the Crypto banner.
00:22:27:11 – 00:22:44:19
Richard Carthon: Oh, definitely, man. And there’s something, there’s a distinction that I really want to make to a lot of people that I think they sometimes forget. So, when you think about, when people originally think about like, Crypto, Cryptocurrency, they think it’s trying to be a currency, right? That it’s trying to be like, a way to exchange things like, directly. But that’s not necessarily the case.
00:22:44:21 – 00:23:26:29
Richard Carthon: I feel like a lot of Cryptocurrencies are Blockchain projects that are put under the umbrella that is Cryptocurrency that are truly just solving problems, like you said, but are in different industries doing unique ways to solve said problems on top of the Blockchain ecosystem that’s been able to raise money under this way, which is untraditional in the way that they would do it, right? So, going from like an ICO, IEO or what have you. And because of that, you know, most of them are startups. And if you think about a startup, 90 percent of startups fail, but the 10 percent that don’t, it’s going to be amazing and it’s going to be continuing to further the technology and the use cases that makes all of our lives a lot easier.
00:23:27:08 – 00:23:57:26
Julian Sawyer: Yes. And I think we’ve got a role as an established company, to be able to talk with, you know, engage, help, support, promote, invest in this ecosystem, because when you are starting your business and I’ve done that in the past, you know, every dollar matters. We need to be able to help. But also, you know, we’ve got millions of customers who can start getting engaged in their solutions, in their product, so, you know, I think that open minded, open source type mentality is really important.
00:23:58:18 – 00:24:50:20
Richard Carthon: Definitely. And just one more piece going back to gaming real quick, I think gaming is also in the future and is the future. And there’s going to be so many amazing things that happen in Crypto gaming from building one Blockchain from AR to VR to being able to put NFTs in games and it’s going to be massive. So, the more that people are able to keep finding cool, nuanced ways like how y’all are positioning yourselves to be able to do the back end monetary piece of that, I think that is very unique and it’s going to be extremely beneficial to y’all in the future. But, you know, as we kind of wrap up here, man, there’s always two questions I like to end on. And I think it’s always a lot of fun to hear what your take is on it, but with all the knowledge you have right now, and if you could take two to three core lessons and impart wisdom on yourself when you first got started in the Crypto space, what would you tell yourself?
00:24:53:09 – 00:25:52:24
Julian Sawyer: And thank you for the prep or the lack of prep on that question, there, Richard, appreciate it. You know, I think the world is really small, there’s a whole bunch of really smart people in the world of Crypto financial services, FinTech, technology. I think it’s about us being open, being willing to partner, helping people to solve the things that we haven’t thought about. And I think that’s the big thing. And I think we are seeing ourselves, you know, as we are a financial services company doing Crypto, that rep gives us a lot of obligations to do, which was super happy to have, but I think we’re going to see more and more conversations which are that mixture between traditional financial services, technology and Crypto assets. So for me, it’s about how we engage and how we need as an industry to engage with each other and then how we educate and communicate our value propositions to consumers.
00:25:53:22 – 00:26:08:02
Richard Carthon: I think that’s great. People forget how important it is to build community and to be able to, there’s a saying that someone brought on the show a long time ago that a lot of people are building all of these islands and not enough people are building bridges.
00:26:08:06 – 00:26:08:21
Julian Sawyer: Yeah.
00:26:08:23 – 00:26:22:24
Richard Carthon: And I think that the more bridges that can be made to all these amazing islands that are being built, the faster this industry is going to grow in, and the better the tech and how the cross being able to work together is going to be able to keep transforming. So, I really do appreciate it.
00:26:22:26 – 00:26:27:07
Julian Sawyer: I’m going to copy that statement, I think it’s good.
00:26:27:21 – 00:26:37:29
Richard Carthon: Yeah, for sure, man. And, you know, as we wrap up here, man, always like to finish up with the final question of what is a final thought that you want to leave with all of our listeners here today?
00:26:39:13 – 00:27:12:18
Julian Sawyer: Well, I think the final thought in my mind would be this is not a Bitcoin story, this is a digital asset Cryptocurrency story. It’s much wider, much bigger, much more exciting than just one asset. And I think the more that we as an industry and as individuals can come onto podcasts and speak to journalists and just engage and talk wider than just Bitcoin, I think that is where it becomes really, really important for us as an industry and as the industry gets into and closer to financial services and what we’re doing to help everyday people.
00:27:13:17 – 00:27:20:18
Richard Carthon: I think that’s a great final thought. So, I definitely appreciate that. But Julian, what are ways that people can connect with you and learn more about Bitstamp?
00:27:21:05 – 00:27:29:23
Julian Sawyer: So, we’re obviously on the web as Bitstamp.net and I’m on LinkedIn as well. So, if anybody wants to connect, please do, always happy to talk to you.
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Richard Carthon: Definitely. Well, again, Julian with Bitstamp, thank you so much for spending some time with us, dropping off your knowledge. And of course, for everyone listening, Stay Crypto Current.
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