Emile Dubie joins us to discuss on the Utility of XDEFI’s Universal Wallet.
Émile Dubié (CEO/Co-founder) was in traditional finance working for Bloomberg and Reuters before moving into tech. He launched XDEFI Wallet with his co-founder David Phan (CTO) in August 2020 whom he met after being hired by BCG to participate in the launch of Blockchain ventures for the De Beers group.
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00:00:17:18 – 00:00:35:08
Richard Carthon: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Crypto Current, your host here, Richard Carthon. Today we got a very special one for you. We’re learning about a really, really cool wallet that handles both defi nfts and so much more. We have a mil who is the CEO of x defi wallet. How are you doing today?
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Emile Dubie: I’m good. Thanks for having me, Richard.
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Richard Carthon: No doubt man will calling all the way out from Amsterdam. You got a lot of really cool things going on. But first, before we learn more about Defi wallet, let’s learn more about you. Can you give us a little bit of background on yourself?
00:00:49:16 – 00:01:06:03
Emile Dubie: Yeah, for sure. So. Well, I’ve started my career in the in truck by bucking the days. Ten years ago, I was an equity analyst focusing on U.S. tech. And in the meantime, I’ve built a few companies. I worked for consulting firms and
00:01:07:24 – 00:01:24:29
Emile Dubie: software companies such as Thomson Reuters, etc.. So, yeah, it’s been it’s been it’s been a long way from my my beginnings in and try to fight for a defined and Kryptonian role and since 2017 more or less I’m a I’m down the rabbit hole.
00:01:25:19 – 00:01:42:24
Richard Carthon: Yeah. So going from traditional finance and it’s so interesting to meet so many people who come from that background and into now the world of Web3. I have the same kind of background as well. So 1217 you learn more about the space. Tell us about what was that first introduction and then what made you decide This is the direction I now want to head?
00:01:43:25 – 00:02:17:01
Emile Dubie: So, I mean, like the first time I heard about crypto was like in 2012, 2013, back in the days like I was an equity analyst, very much focus on value investing and and fundamentals. At the time I had a really good friend of mine, like an engineer was talking about Bitcoin and at the time I was not fully convinced. I couldn’t really grasp the the value behind Bitcoin itself. And I think I really got into like crypto when, when, when it came up. So back in 2015, that’s really when I got into crypto.
00:02:18:05 – 00:02:51:02
Emile Dubie: I think for me what kind of changed is 2019. So I kind of changed my my investment advice as an investor myself as I was investing for myself. And in 2019 I was really focused on the time I couldn’t really see like any other ecosystem, you know, like coming and getting a team. But I guess in 2019, seeing like a lot of new great projects that had strong value propositions and strong teams, I started like thinking about, okay, maybe this space is actually going to be multichain in the future.
00:02:51:12 – 00:03:24:18
Emile Dubie: So I tried to look a little bit more into interoperability plays. That’s when and I was really interesting that like at the time heard about Thorchain in the the synthetic discord. So try to understand a bit more what what they were building discussing with the call that team and started investing in Rune so that that’s I guess like the first time I, I stepped outside of Italian really and tried to understand like what could possibly happen in a potential and future. Obviously like since then like the to this has been validated.
00:03:25:07 – 00:03:54:21
Emile Dubie: I think we’ve seen that with the older the new ecosystem that I’ve that have emerged obviously that we sort of know that there was there are that there was cosmos, that there was Polkadot as well and like layer two and and sidechains are longer term. So it’s been an interesting, like, you know, journey, I would say. And yeah, I’ll explain a bit afterwards, like how we came up with things if I wanted. But that’s really well we very much like are actually entrenched into like a blockchain.
00:03:55:17 – 00:04:34:27
Richard Carthon: Yeah, it’s really interesting that, like your first dog, your first love was a theory and then you kind of expanded from there. And again, very similar background for myself, like I learned about Bitcoin at the end, but a theorem really piqued my interest. And so I started looking into this more and started looking more into some of these other alts and just looking at all the various use cases and scalability. Interoperability was also something that always sparked my curiosity. And, and if you got into run early, let’s just say that that panned out pretty well for you depending on the timing of it. But even just for conceptually to like see how these things can continue to become more interoperable, it makes a lot of sense for where the future is headed.
00:04:34:29 – 00:04:46:16
Richard Carthon: And I think we’re headed towards a more interoperable future. So that kind of brings us to present day defi wallet. So what is it? What was the thesis behind it and what are you all currently working on so well?
00:04:46:18 – 00:05:20:07
Emile Dubie: Essentially. So I’ll just continue where I left. But essentially what happens is during the crash in March 2020, I started buying like more room and getting more involved in the Thorchain ecosystem. And I was obviously like all the time speaking with one of my best friend David, that I’ve met in a previous company back in 2017. Fred, to think about like, okay, how can we help with such an ecosystem? We’re thinking about running nodes, creating arbitrage bots, doing stuff that like we know how to do. And after a little while and discussing with the call team, we realized that like, we could do much more than that.
00:05:20:23 – 00:05:54:21
Emile Dubie: I think, you know, back in the days, like most of the defi volume was going by a web client, you had tons of wallet out there on the mobile side side of things, wallet that we’re only focusing on to tell you I’m order. That’s why I’m into chain somewhere custodial or other non-custodial but you only really had metamask as an extension and as most of the volume was going by web clients, we realized that there was a massive gap in the market that needed to be addressed, not just for chain and to help like any users to interact with all the interfaces that are beyond touching.
00:05:54:23 – 00:06:28:02
Emile Dubie: But for the future and the ecosystem that we’re about to match. So, you know, coming from from from the statements, we decided to build a defi wallet kind in a way of like, okay, well, we don’t have that for ourselves. We need it as our users. So we got to build it for ourselves. And it turns out that like it’s actually not just useful for the Tushnet question, but for everyone. We all know the pain associated with dealing with plenty of different wallets. If you want to navigate across like Solana Cosmos into you, you need to have like Kepler, Fantom, Metamask, etc.,
00:06:28:04 – 00:06:58:11
Emile Dubie: which is like obviously quite cumbersome and and complicated to, to, to, to handle. So that’s that’s really like where it all started. We basically discussed with a call called the team at Tottenham and we said, look, we have the experience and the skills to, to actually build a team around us and build a non-custodial way of extension. And that’s exactly what we did. And yes, and then like we we grow the company by quite a lot. We raised several months and we are.
00:06:59:21 – 00:07:30:17
Richard Carthon: It is amazing. Like you start with a hard core community that makes a ton of sense to you. You kind of branch out and you solve a problem that you immediately face and you’re like, I know other people are facing this too. Like how could how can we be of service? How can we help? And then you’ve been been able to expand it, grow your community, and then get a lot more people into it. So you, you are now able to send crypto NFT across 15 blockchains, which again, that is a huge undertaking. Walk us through like, how are you able to build it to this point in like work? What are the features it has now and where you growing to?
00:07:31:18 – 00:08:02:22
Emile Dubie: So when we started building it, if I wanted to, we had two main challenges. The first one was a UX challenge. So we built a defi agnostic from the ground up. We didn’t like first built defi for a time and then like expanded to the blockchain. We started already, like by integrating directly like Bitcoin and and Binance chain. And then we grew from there. But essentially, like, this is how our structure is made. And the two main challenges that we had basically was, first, you extend like a infrastructure to the back of the backend perspective.
00:08:02:24 – 00:08:15:02
Emile Dubie: So UX, why? Because there was no benchmark for us. So that’s one thing to take a product and improve it. If we had to, we create like a metamask, we would have done it differently than
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Emile Dubie: what we’ve done with 65, whatever, simply because they are only supporting it. I’m in VM based networks. So we have to think about, okay, how do we abstract the concept of chain? How do we abstract the fact that, like it’s chain has different characteristics? How can we create like a coherent and streamline user experience taking this into consideration, which is complicated, which I think that’s we are solves, we solved we, we basically but we like to reduce like a new UX UI in the in the next month, which is going to be essentially summarizing all the efforts from UX perspective that we’ve done in the last two years and a half.
00:08:57:18 – 00:09:25:12
Emile Dubie: And that I think is going to help tremendously, like from a new expansive view when it comes to dealing with a what it does for a thing like UX. How can we improve this like plenty of small things as well, like not having to change the network at the top to see like all of your assets in one single a screen, to see like your total balance without having to reconsider this manually by checking all of the different network that you interact with, with wallets, etc.. So you actually.
00:09:26:03 – 00:10:00:19
Richard Carthon: I just I just want to spend two more seconds on that because I know a lot of people who come into this space have experience with Metamask and I can also echo that it is extremely frustrating, even though it’s a couple more steps to go and have to constantly change the the blockchain that you’re on, whether you’re on Ethereum or Avalanche or Binance or any of these, and then having to switch in and see the coins for each of those. Like it’s just the UX of having all of that on one screen and be able to do like go through all that. That alone is, is extremely like so helpful.
00:10:00:25 – 00:10:03:29
Richard Carthon: So I just, I needed to just like really drill that whole.
00:10:05:14 – 00:10:36:26
Emile Dubie: The way I look about it, the way I look into this is pretty simple. I think that like if we want to have a lot of people onboarding into a web3 and obviously, like a lot of these people are coming from a centralized exchanges like Coinbase, Binance and so on. We do need to create like a UX, which is kind of mirroring what they’ve done, which is obviously complicated in the decentralized non-custodial worlds, but nonetheless possible. By that I mean like I don’t think people really care about like which chain they are interacting with.
00:10:36:28 – 00:11:09:00
Emile Dubie: They do, but they care more specifically about the assets they have. So for me, it’s how can we like take this into consideration when we design, like our interface? And I think, you know, like in the new UX UI and I think like the current structure is already pretty good, I reckon. But I think the new one is going to help. Like just I’ll give you an example because you touch on that. But essentially, like for instance, I have you SDC on three or four networks. It’s pretty like annoying to have to switch between the different network and reconsider this manually.
00:11:09:06 – 00:11:43:03
Emile Dubie: So then you find that we are going to reduce, for instance, you’re going to have one single balance for you. You, as you see, then you kind of be able to click on it and see the breakdown and see like how some you like to see that much. That’s my balance on Fantom, That’s my balance on Mainnet that’s my balance. And I think that helps. I think, I think I think this is pretty important. So how can we reproduce like a centralized, like in a decentralized fashion that’s been like a massive challenge. And I think like people are going to be pretty surprised and happy about the new you because that’s free like where we are, our efforts now.
00:11:44:18 – 00:12:18:04
Emile Dubie: I think the second challenge, and it’s very much like linked to what I’ve explained because our crushing API is allowing us to do stuff like from a UX specification that we couldn’t do before when we started building a defi wallet. And it’s still the case to an extent today like block. APIs in general that were not fully built to cater for them in an era. So for us to scale to and I think today we have like as of yesterday we had like around 130,000 active users. I started Chrome Store. We had to combine 17 different APIs, which means that we have like plenty of different point of videos.
00:12:18:06 – 00:12:48:29
Emile Dubie: We have inconsistent response formats. We have rate limiting Left-Right and so on, which you know, results into like a. Not a great performance and also like a debt expense, that is absolutely not right. So what we’ve done in the last 12 months and that requires like obviously a lot of efforts and investments, is to build our own cross-channel indexes. So essentially we built on APIs for all the chain that we support, including NFC indexes.
00:12:49:21 – 00:13:26:29
Emile Dubie: And we also like indexing from zero. So basically looking at all the data since zero, which is really time consuming. It’s not yet life. We still like testing it. We are almost done with most of the indexes, but it’s going to take a little bit of time for us to make sure it’s scalable and working properly. Properly. I mean, access to the standards that that we that we wanted to reach. So that’s an important you know, that’s an important thing because we we’re wallet provider obviously, but to an extent we are we so like almost an API provider which is only for us to use.
00:13:27:01 – 00:13:45:17
Emile Dubie: But that’s a lot of the work that we’ve done in that I don’t think people see because it’s not something that we obviously like advertise on Twitter and so on and that that that speaks to people. But for the for the engineers out there I think that we understand and and and yeah. And see how complicated it is to to to do that and see.
00:13:46:14 – 00:14:17:05
Richard Carthon: It is not do an echo how big of an infrastructure and and just technically challenging feat the channel going forward to to both have a really easy to understand user interface that can put all that information. And then to add a dex to it. So for your everyday user right now, let’s say that you’re on Metamask and then you’re trying to now go over to the Solana network and you’re trying to cross over a lot of things. You have to use bridges, you have to go and do a ton of steps and you’re also going to be losing money.
00:14:17:07 – 00:14:37:25
Richard Carthon: A lot of a lot of the way, as you know, providing liquidity to both bridges, to indexes, all this stuff. So now within your wallet, just to make sure I understand this. Right. Instead of doing all that because of the wall that you have in place, if I use your Dex, I can swap in and out of it. So let’s say I have $1,000 worth of Ethereum. I really need to switch it over to Solana so I can get into some other Solana projects. I can do that on my wallet and be done.
00:14:38:24 – 00:15:09:06
Emile Dubie: So it’s slightly different. That’s another piece of the I mean, like we also have a writing API in which like we are aggregating like basically pencil bridges, index aggregator itself. So we kind of an aggregator of data. But what I was referring to is more like how we fetch data when you look at it is if I wanted to be basically fetching like token balances, logo, transaction history and so on, like for fixing blockchains, I mean that’s like you don’t have the right infrastructure behind it. Like becomes like not great from a performance point of view. It takes time for the balancing the balances to load and so on.
00:15:09:08 – 00:15:43:00
Emile Dubie: So having to rely to plenty of external API providers is a massive limitation and we decided to build it ourselves, decide to run our own trust. So for instance interest on and that’s really affected the wallet, continue to work and so on unless our API is done, although we have some fallback. And I think that that’s pretty important now to come to the API. What we’ve done is pretty straightforward, although it hasn’t been done by a lot of projects. We’ve obviously integrated Thorchain at first to allow for cross-chain swaps from within the wallets and now from using the web app that we’ve released last week.
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Emile Dubie: And I’ll explain a little bit more about what up afterwards. But essentially what we decided to do is to become an aggregator of aggregator. And by that I mean that we took chain as a provider. And on top of it we’ve added like open ocean price swap, one in one whole chain, etc., etc.. We are doing Rainbow Bridge right now, we adding sockets, which is pretty much done osmosis, etc. So that allows us to have spaghetti and bridges and for for us to build on top of that algorithm that allows us to basically give the ability to users to go from any chain train in
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Emile Dubie: the most efficient way, really, which is important when you are a merchant wallet, obviously, because this is also the way that we are generating revenue, right? We take a 0.3% on swaps. The fees are not turned on yet. It’s going to be turned on by the end of the year. But that’s the core parts of our revenue model. And we’ve also put a lot of efforts in that.
00:16:46:26 – 00:17:18:18
Richard Carthon: Yeah. And again, being able to provide that convenience, to be able to switch in and out all these different points and ecosystems and have it all be in one place and not having to do all of this. Again, it’s the user is the end user experience that we all as as crypto aficionados and people in this space want to happen. It just hasn’t yet. And there’s a lot of disjointed ness of trying to put it all together. But it looks like they all are getting pretty close to being able to achieve that piece of it.
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Richard Carthon: And I do also want to go back to the point of you being able to use your APIs to accurately reflect, you know, portfolio balances, where your money is and how all of that is crucial, especially as you know, if someone’s trying to make a potential move to switch in and out of certain cryptos, especially if they’re day trading or even if they’re doing a swing trade, they need to know what they accurately have or they’re going to try to. And if they’re not getting it from one place, they’re going to go somewhere else because that information is crucial. So definitely understand the amount of energy time they put into that.
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Richard Carthon: But the other thing that I know on here that I’ve have been really looking into as well is just the ability for for people to house their nfts and be able to accurately reflect that key kind of talked to that a little bit.
00:18:01:02 – 00:18:34:00
Emile Dubie: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, we call it Defi, but we obviously like supporting NFT. I think what we one of the the only wallet that I’ll supporting NFT is across that many chains right now we have support for NFT is on Ethereum all become avalanche pretty gun Binance Smart chain Fantom Solana and near sun. So I think it’s important for people to be able to manage like nfts, as are the assets from one single place and again, not having to rely on several wallets. That’s exactly what we’ve done in the same way that we’ve done it for tokens.
00:18:34:19 – 00:19:05:04
Emile Dubie: There are a lot of other features that are going to right for finances. For instance, you’re going to be able to send your NFT across all the different chains that we have and send them directly from the wallets. Won’t have to go back to a opensea for instance, to send individually like your NFT is. And there will be other features that we will be announcing in the coming months, such as P2P trading and so on. It’s not going to be just for now, but that will be more. Obviously the web app is also going to support NFT, going to be able to display all of your NFT and then manage them from from one single place, which is also going to be helpful.
00:19:06:07 – 00:19:20:25
Emile Dubie: Definitely. And with any wallet, one of the reoccurring challenges that typically comes up as a as a place of where people have a bit of hesitation is around security. What kind of security and things have got put in place to make this wallet as.
00:19:22:16 – 00:19:56:06
Emile Dubie: So I think something I would always recommend to anyone using a wallet extension doesn’t matter which one is to use a ledger. If you have like more than, I don’t know, like one K worth of capital in your wallet, you should be using a ledger. There is no excuse about it. It’s cheap enough for you to afford it. And this is the best way for you to protect your your your funds. Now, obviously, like we had audits, we making sure that, like, our code is properly reviewed and that everything is as secure as it gets from our perspective. But always for us, the most important thing is that like every time we are adding a new chain, we adding ledger supports.
00:19:56:08 – 00:20:29:25
Emile Dubie: At the same time, we currently working on Trezor integration as well. So we can basically provide to our users as many options as as possible that that would be my advice, that that’s something we always say. If you have like some capital in crypto and you’re using like a wallet extension, you should be using the ledger. That’s that’s important and that will help a lot. There are other things that we’re going to work on from subsequent perspective that will help, such as Non-Custodial, where for which we work like pretty much as as I’m sure pretty much everyone is from you always what it’s where it is.
00:20:31:13 – 00:20:37:05
Emile Dubie: And we also help a lot to protect your your your funds and and then in general from using your wallet.
00:20:38:18 – 00:20:55:28
Richard Carthon: And all of those are really crucial. And I think that’s also really helpful as well to have that cold water storage and, you know, link it up, have it go through the wallet so that whenever you are ready to do transactions, you physically have to have it on your person. So you don’t even have to you have the peace of mind of that your that your assets are secure.
00:20:57:21 – 00:21:18:04
Richard Carthon: You’re working on a lot of different things and obviously you’ve been building this for a couple of years now, years now. And one of the things, even just through our conversations before coming on the show around interoperability and how essential it is to the future, how are you all continuing to push interoperability forward and where do you see the future of interoperability, interoperability headed?
00:21:19:04 – 00:21:54:19
Emile Dubie: So, I mean, there are a lot of things that could be say like obviously the working API is going to help a lot because that allows you to I see your wallet as a vehicle. This is a vehicle that is here to bring you from point A to point B, And when I say, well, it him specifically speaking about like what an extension, because to an extent we could say that like mobile wallets also this nation for some people that are not as advanced as other uses that are using extension that want the ability to navigate across the board across bunch of different protocols that are based on different ecosystem. So for me, the wallet extension is a vehicle bring you from point A to point B in a fast, secure and reliable fashion.
00:21:55:08 – 00:22:31:15
Emile Dubie: Now, obviously adding the rooting API within it that allows you to basically like migrate funds from one ecosystem to another really easily for you to capture opportunities that might arise like on sort of not tomorrow and the day after. And protection is is crucial. What we are going to focus on next is gas management, because the more trains you have, the more you have to put efforts into managing your gas. We need to have like a little bit of a balance of metrics or whatever to be able to perform a transaction where you have a lot of addresses and you’re interacting with a lot of change, that obviously becomes quite a headache.
00:22:31:24 – 00:22:58:23
Emile Dubie: So the few things that we are working on currently, but I’m not going to spend too much on that, but like you can expect like some some announcements also on that like towards the end of the year helping people to refill like their addresses with the gas needed for them to, to interact with that that sort of culture and in general like a sign and a projection. So that’s something that we’re going to focus on next because this is essential to improve the overall UX of the non-custodial space something.
00:22:59:27 – 00:23:29:10
Emile Dubie: Perfect. And yeah, I mean, it sounds like I have a lot of other things in the pipeline that’s going to keep making that experience better. But I mean, it sounds like what’s available now is super helpful. You already said that you have, you know, hundreds of thousand people using this already. It’s continuing to grow. For for someone listening to this right now, obviously, you can go to X defy that. I o that’s the EFI that I know for for more information but where other places they can go and learn and participate in the community.
00:23:30:05 – 00:24:01:08
Emile Dubie: So I mean there are a few things that if I that I oh you have a blog. We try to create as much content as we can for people to learn about crypto if they’ve just onboarded or even if they’re a little bit more advanced and they want to read you some topics in Defi in the NFT space. So you can browse across the different articles that we have in our blog section of x defi dot io. Now for us to provide you like, you know, like the best possible supports, you should definitely join our discord.
00:24:01:29 – 00:24:32:19
Emile Dubie: We have 20 47i suppose we generally like are always keen to help and discuss topics like and I’m just like receive your, your, your, your, your feedback, your suggestions, features and so on. So I strongly encourage you to join the community and, and discussing the discord. I’m in there every day. We have a really good customer team. I don’t I didn’t read them like I couldn’t contain these customers. I don’t think we have customers. I think we have users, but we really have like a good team and, and they’re always happy to help.
00:24:32:21 – 00:24:37:02
Emile Dubie: So free to reach out to any time like we’re we open to discussion about what think whatever.
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Emile Dubie: Perfect. And as we wrap up, Emily always like to finish with a couple of fun questions. The first one being with all the information that you’ve been able to learn over the several years of building this out. If you could go impart one or two pieces of wisdom to yourself when you first started, what would you tell yourself?
00:24:55:03 – 00:24:57:03
Emile Dubie: And that’s a good question.
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Emile Dubie: Okay. I think.
00:25:02:12 – 00:25:46:04
Emile Dubie: You need to before you start investing in crypto. And like obviously that’s not financial advice like you should read, try to understand like what you’re investing in. It’s not always easy because like the technical concepts like around crypto are often like not easily accessible. So I would say try to read as much as you can. Try to look at I don’t know if you digital and then send and other and you know, source of information that are reliable and that kind of helps you to you know like across this knowledge gap once you’re there try to focus on like a few specific projects, understand them really well, and then make decisions rather than like just follow the crowd.
00:25:46:06 – 00:26:19:26
Emile Dubie: And what about people I see on Twitter, on telegram groups? I would say try to understand the tech behind it. Try to understand how it might impact the entire ecosystem and industry in the next 2 to 3 years and decisions on that. I would also say that’s ish and I’ve been read before like several times. I’ve lost funds as well. I would say that like when you first create a wallet, as I said again. They take the money you need to buy a larger wallet and make sure that like or backing up properly, your phrase, etc.
00:26:20:21 – 00:26:31:13
Emile Dubie: in a safe place and and done cops basically, you know don’t do that kind of things like I’ll send it to someone I don’t know, like be really careful out there. Be careful about people in disengaging like
00:26:33:08 – 00:26:54:24
Emile Dubie: from the kids, etc. and don’t trust anyone but yourself and be safe basically. That that’s very important. So when when when it’s your you know like when you’re the one controlling the the destiny of your funds, you need to accept the responsibility that that come with it that’s on you if something fucks them. So be careful.
00:26:55:16 – 00:27:23:25
Emile Dubie: Yeah. Those are two really good gems. Good reminders. As you’re in the space, do your own research, Make sure you’re doing as much reading as possible, understand what you’re getting into, and as you look into what they’re building, does it make sense? And do you think it’ll be around two or three years from now and then be responsible for your investments? Make sure you’re protecting yourself and protecting your assets because it’s ultimately your responsibility. So I think those are two great reminders. But email, as we wrap up here, what is the final thought that you want to leave with everyone today?
00:27:25:06 – 00:28:03:22
Emile Dubie: Look. I mean, like, come try the product. Give us some, some, some, some feedback that’s really important for us to improve. We’ve always been close to community and we want to try to help you out. So, yeah, trying to absorb this is the latest thing that we’ve released. You can do a positive quality in a single sided fashion across 15,000 press pros like on the on the across the Yam networks, which is pretty cool. We are funds coming soon so that’s gonna make farming really easy for you try to the chain dex slash reach aggregator the swap we can swap like tons of assets via this and just come to us and let us know like, what you would like to see that you don’t see right now in the wallet or in the web app.
00:28:03:24 – 00:28:06:05
Emile Dubie: And we’ll try our best to incorporate this far better.
00:28:07:12 – 00:28:14:09
Richard Carthon: Excellent. Well, again, thank you so much for spending time with us and sharing all the knowledge. And as always, for everyone listening, stay cryptoquant.
00:28:15:08 – 00:28:38:24
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