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Today Dylan Dewdney joins us to discuss how BTW.com provides education, ecosystem growth and the tools to help people achieve their economic freedom. 

A prescient and accurate analyst of market behavior, social psychology, and overall societal trends, Dylan first developed an awareness of how to spot mass movements through graduate level studies in Social Theory under Dr. Michael Gardiner. Leaving academia for the business world, Dylan entered the security industry in 2010, learned the business, and quickly rose from an entry-level administration role to the directorship of the overall growth strategy of a national security firm.

About two years later, Dylan started a lifelong interest in cryptography, the blockchain, and decentralized systems, when he first read the Bitcoin whitepaper. This interest continued and strengthened and grew and he started mining as a hobbyist and became active in the Toronto crypto community, discovering the Ethereum project, where he participated in their ICO. As the Ethereum ecosystem grew, so too did Dylan with it, to become an advisor, investor, builder, and participant in many projects.

In 2017 he co-founded Harbour DAO, which became an open-standard set of tools for building governance structures and voting mechanisms on the blockchain. 

As Chief Evangelist and one of its first team members, Dylan had deep professional involvement in the early development and go to market plan of the world’s first privacy coin built on the MimbleWimble protocol, BEAM. 

As BEAM moved to a foundation model, he joined with AdEX as Head of Growth, helping to build out their go to market strategy. Currently, AdEx is the largest payment channel on the Ethereum network by a very large margin, and Dylan remains as an advisor to the project. 

Dylan mixes his skills as an analyst, growth-driver, and independent researcher to identify products and paths to market that can and may escape others. He is a steadfast believer in the significance and power of blockchain to change the world and our lives in a positive way. 

Bringing all these skills to bear, Dylan is only too pleased to help lead the growth, strategy and awareness as Co-Founder of BTW.com, an exchange explicitly focused on the politically transformative effects of blockchain. 

Traditional financial systems are operated in connection with politics by their very nature, as currencies are state backed, historically winning by getting reserve currency status. Through the control of money, institutional empires are formed, from the Dutch Guilder to the British Pound to the US Dollar, and systems of domination find expression rooted in their ‘wealth privilege’. Bitcoin and crypto in general is wholly disconnected from any central entity, actor, or authority—not only is it a neutral technology but it carries the promise of changing the historical finance ‘game’ entirely, placing crypto as an important medium to any modern resistance.

*Disclaimer. None of this information is financial advice.

The following transcript was created using artificial intelligence. There will be some grammatical errors below. 

00:00:59:19 – 00:01:10:23

Richard Carthon: Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of Crypto Current, your host here, Richard Carthon and today I got a very special guest all the way out in Toronto, Canada. We have Dylan with BTW.com. How are you doing today?

00:01:11:29 – 00:01:24:25

Dylan Dewdney: I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. It’s a beautiful day here in Toronto at least. I don’t know where you know, the listeners will be listening, but that always lightens your mood when the weather is good.

00:01:25:09 – 00:01:34:14

Richard Carthon: Absolutely. And I’m really excited to learn more about your exchange and everything you have going on with that, but before we kind of dive into that, how about you give us a little bit of background on yourself.

00:01:35:23 – 00:02:48:11

Dylan Dewdney: Yeah. So I was actually born and raised in Des Moines, Iowa. Believe it or not, my dad is from Canada so I ended up, this is a really long story and I’m not going to get into that part of it, but I ended up finding myself going to school, university in Canada and really was focused on sort of transgressive sort of social movements and social theory and sociology. And so was a little bit of like early on a little bit of it, almost like a communist radical. I wanted to change the world and then I got here and I got into academia and decided I guess, almost when I was close to finishing up my thesis that you know, that that world just wasn’t for me. I wanted to get into quote, unquote the real world. With all due respect to academics. And so I started you know I had a bunch of itinerant jobs and I got into crypto. Can I get to the crypto part?

00:02:48:19 – 00:02:56:09

Richard Carthon: Oh absolutely, so go ahead tell us about what year was it? How did you learn about it? And yeah let’s start there.

00:02:57:06 – 00:03:17:05

Dylan Dewdney: Well, I was very much a regular guy. In the sense that you know, yes I had some academic background stuff like that, but I wasn’t you know, in finance, I wasn’t in banking, I wasn’t you know,  I didn’t go to Wharton School for Business.

00:03:21:24 – 00:03:22:09

Richard Carthon: Something you kind of stumbled into.

00:03:24:01 – 00:05:05:21

Dylan Dewdney: Just a regular guy, yeah. In a way I kind of stumbled into it. My brain was very primed for it because I’m just a voracious reader and I’d been into a variety of subjects for a long time ranging from, you know, as I said I was in economics as in social theory. So I was really into thinkers like Vaper and Marx and then later a lot of postmodern theory. And so this idea that like, the world we experience now, this broad, broad concept, the world we experience now, we tend to accept it as you know, it’s concrete, it’s what it is. It’s always going to be this way and we take it for granted that it is the way it is, but when we start peeling the layers back of you know, history, when you start peeling the layers back of like, taken for granted it’s why things are the way they are, we start to realize, well they’re all just really extensions of our own imagination. Everything that we see around us you know, our buildings, our financial institutions, our law systems, etc. etc. It’s really just like an extension of our imagination, of ways we go about solving problems that we have as humans. Yeah, yeah precisely. So I was very primed to like hearing the message of at that time I guess, this was late 2010 the first time I heard about Bitcoin and it was 2011.

00:05:05:24 – 00:06:07:19

Dylan Dewdney: Pretty early, yeah. Cause I was really into cyberpunk stuff and like William Gibson. And then that led me to like Neuromancer. I was really into that book idea, I don’t know if anybody knows it, like it’s relatively well known in some circles and it just ended up inspiring some movies like Blade Runner and stuff like that. But anyway, I sort of got into an adjacent part of that was like Cypherpunk, which was like Cyberpunk plus cryptography. And yeah, I started getting into that, so primed for that, then I like read this meta filter article like a year later, I think it was in 2011 about these crazy people that, I don’t know if it’s like crazy, but it was like you know, that are into like Bitcoin and stuff like that. And explained it a little bit and then that was when I read the white paper. Even after that I mean, I was still pretty rational, so I wasn’t relatively and I was also poor.

00:06:09:29 – 00:07:27:06

Dylan Dewdney: So and it was also really hard to get. It was relatively hard to get Bitcoin unless you started your own mining situation or got into a pool. Yeah, so I didn’t really, really, really start getting into it from the aspect of mining and stuff like that or like really were acquiring it. And so I think 2012 late 2012, 2013 and then 2013 is a huge bull run and then you know, then it became a little bit of a phenomenon and then the docks and all this other and then you know, we had quite a bare market for a bit and the huge drop and then everybody sort of forgot about it for a couple of years. In the meantime, I’m here in Toronto and the Ethereum community is kind of starting to come up and get involved with the community here a little bit you know, and started evangelizing to my friends and family. And then yeah, and I you know, took part in the Ethereum and just over like, I don’t know, almost 10 years it’s been just it’s growing. Yeah, yeah so.

00:07:28:16 – 00:07:57:06

Richard Carthon: And it’s really cool that you’re able to get in as early as you did and you got in through other passions, right? So through the cypherpunk movement and then you learned about this opportunity and you know, at the time didn’t have the financials to be able to initially jump in as much as you wanted to, but you still found a way to get involved. And from that then you know, you learned about Ethereum, you started getting involved with that and so years progressed, everything started to build up and you have all this momentum. At what point did you say, “Wow this is an opportunity that I potentially want to build a career around?”

00:08:00:04 – 00:09:22:04

Dylan Dewdney: Dude, that’s a really, really good question. That’s yeah, well done on the interview. Yeah, no problem. That’s a great question cause that was something I battled with for like a long time, like years. Years, I was like “You know, like I think this is really this is something, but you know everybody thinks I’m crazy.” You know, I mean you kind of like in these sorts of things you doubt yourself. The thing I could always come back to as I like there’s the practical side, obviously and then there’s the sort of philosophical side, where you’re like I got to do this because I just gotta do this. And then it’s like I need you know, I have children or I have you know, mortgage or whatever it is in your life, you have to make sure you handle that business. So anyway, for me it was like I could always come back with my conviction about it. I could always come back to really mathematics and history. So you know, double entry bookkeeping hasn’t you know, the last time that the field of accounting was innovated upon was almost a thousand years ago you know, minus 30 years which is 70 A.D. Pliny the Elder came up with double entry bookkeeping.

00:09:22:07 – 00:10:29:17

Dylan Dewdney: So you know, I knew that an innovation on the field of accounting, which you want to restrict you know, blockchain and Bitcoin just to that narrow thing is massive. That’s a millennium level type innovation, right? It happens every thousand years or something like that or even longer. And then you know, I had done a lot of stuff in terms of my own personal research on the Internet and things like that and then I saw some trends, you know, with respect to things I grew up during like Napster and stuff like that. So the Internet was great for information like copying information and spreading it and everything like that, but it’s you know, it just was sort of half formed when it came to valuable things or things of value. Like you don’t want, for example, if I was going to like having a hundred people and give out a dollar you know, to a crowd you don’t want to make sure that I’m not going into the back room and like printing more dollars.

00:10:31:15 – 00:10:33:04

Richard Carthon: Right, I mean what does the value really mean at that point?

00:10:34:00 – 00:11:20:05

Dylan Dewdney: Yeah. So your question about when I decided to get real took some time and I had to really judge practical stuff, but I could always come back to the math of it and the history of it and what I saw as a serious innovation in the field of value really, right? So it was probably 2014 by the time I decided I would definitely somehow find my way into that. So 2014, I searched blockchain in LinkedIn and added every single person I could find. That was like every day.

00:11:20:17 – 00:11:21:09

Richard Carthon: Yeah.

00:11:21:18 – 00:11:30:21

Dylan Dewdney: And then tried to start making connections that way. At that time, the community was small enough, people would you know, talk to you.

00:11:30:23 – 00:11:33:24

Richard Carthon: Go out of their way, strike up conversations and just learn from each other.

00:11:41:01 – 00:12:50:08

Dylan Dewdney: Yeah, so that was the timing then. And then yeah, I was on the outside looking in for a very long time. So if there’s anybody now who feels like and just for perspective because in 2013 or 14 that you know, on Bitcoin Talk I’d find random friends and then we’d be like, “Man this sucks, we’re like totally not early adopters.” And I wish we could build some space, but you know, it’s just taken out by like you know, people have way more experience than us and smarter than most and all this stuff, right? So I’d say don’t get dissuaded from jumping into this area because it’s still a very, very new area. I spent a lot of time thinking I couldn’t do it just by not jumping into it. And I think the timing is actually better now than it was you know, four or five years ago in the sense that there’s way more market acceptance. So if you’re a scrappy, smart young person you know, who wants to start something like these seas and everybody is like they’re way more open to that message than they were you know, three or four years ago I think.

00:12:50:10 – 00:13:57:10

Richard Carthon: Absolutely and you bring up a lot of points in the fact that making that decision to jump in, like all the way in, is one challenging, but even in the sense of just starting and just like doing the first things getting your foot in the door. I mean obviously, all the audience who’s listening to this and whoever you know, shares it with other people you know, this is your first introduction into it and it’s a great way to be able to learn about this space, but then also to take action steps into like getting involved in either printing your first cryptocurrency or finding a cool technology or blockchain project that you want to go and help build whatever it is. It is a prime time and it’s still super, super early in this space. Regardless of what anyone tells you, it is still very early. And so what I kind of want to do now is like you know, in 2014 you decide like, Alright, this is something I want to do and then like I’m sure there’s a lot that happens along the way, but then we bring as to current day 2020 and now you have you know, BTW. Tell us a little bit about this exchange. When did you build it, where you’re currently at and you know, what is the projection for what you’re trying to do with that project?

00:13:58:15 – 00:16:22:26

Dylan Dewdney: Yeah. So we’re obviously pretty serious about it cause BWT.com is not like an easy domain to get, nor is it cheap, so it’s quite an investment. So yeah, just to answer your question, that’s getting the domain stuff like that happened in the past couple years and we’ve finally decided just in the last year and a half or so, that we would really you know, start ramping up on this project and trying to make it go. So what I saw obviously, you know, the exchange business, there’s so many exchanges, there’s so much to choose from. What I saw was an increasing commoditization of exchanges. So there’s a very low cost of switching from you know, this exchange to that exchange to that exchange. There’s a lot of people who are like, well I’ll just go here because I’m going to get X, Y, Z benefit, right? And that is probably to be expected as there’s more competition that comes into a space you know, exchanges. I think my whole thing is coming into this project and I’m certainly not the only one you know, leading it, but I’m you know a Co-Founder, so I’m one of the most important ones, no I’m just kidding. But no I mean, we’re you know, we’re a big team, relatively big at least. It feels big to me and it’s global, so it’s like around 50 team members. We have a core management group here in Toronto, but we also have a huge representation in Asia. In fact, Asian markets are where we’re really focusing a lot of efforts right now because they are typically, you know, highly sophisticated when it comes to cryptocurrencies, no offense to any other markets. They also tend to have a lot of you know, frequency and turnover which is obviously very important in an exchange. Now seen personally in terms of the vision of the exchange I just feel like why should finance be boring, right?

00:16:22:28 – 00:19:42:26

Dylan Dewdney: Like why should exchange be boring? And honestly I find most exchanges are relatively boring and most finance is relatively boring. So we really wanted to attack the challenge of making and you know, we’re nowhere near where we want to be or need to be in terms of the exchange, we keep iterating and working. But I feel like it should be something that you wake up in the morning, you’re excited to take a look at it, you’re excited to engage with it. You know, we see long term vision. BTW is a place almost like a community, we like to call it a value community. So yeah, I think we want to get away from the commoditization of exchanges. And we have some interesting things coming out in the next few months that I think will, you know, carry us through with that vision. In terms of features of the site that I can’t say super get into, but yeah they have to do it platform stuff and tokenomics and things like that that I think are really interesting. But you know we see 16, 17, 18 year old, 19 year old people growing into the space, right? We want to make it interesting to them and we also feel like personally, like I mean, exchanges are relatively boring as it is and I wouldn’t get into an exchange normally, as a business venture. I’ll just be frank and open, the reason why I wanted to do an exchange is because it’s still the biggest major onramp of you know, new users into crypto and we have a serious moral, like philosophical way of looking at our involvement in crypto. We see it as a way our mission is to accelerate the world’s transition to a crypto economy, why? Because we think that crypto economics is a provably fair economic structure then what we have right now. I mean what we have right now we’re dealing with and it sucks and you know, we don’t feel like you know, the world all of a sudden in a crypto economy it’s going to be this utopia. Like it’s not going to solve all the world’s problems, but even if you get like two, three, four, five percent more value going back to individuals, individuals who don’t have a lot of money that’s incredibly meaningful, right? I mean there’s so much rent seeking that goes on in banking and finance. We speak you know, a lot of things like there’s a lot of stuff going on with social movements around identity, right? Skin color, but what about value identity? Like what about wealth privilege? What about institutionalized financialism? Like these are things that are like I think we got to like take a look at too. So you know, I’m passionate about it. I almost feel like right here.

00:19:45:29 – 00:20:34:04

Richard Carthon: And it’s good to have that passion driving you forward and I think having that social values slash like social mission of your why or why you got into this space is highly important, it’s going to drive you know, your business forward. You know, one of the reasons I started Crypto Current in the first place was to be able to provide education and to bridge the gap between people who knew nothing about cryptocurrency with thought leaders in the space and by providing that education we can help lessen the wealth gap, not only here in the states but everywhere in the world. For the people who don’t have access to a lot of institutional money or opportunity, you know, cryptocurrency can be that easy way that you have direct access, you have control of your own money, which has been a challenge throughout all of history and humanity. It’s like taking the first stab at truly tackling that, which is pretty powerful.

00:20:36:27 – 00:23:10:05

Dylan Dewdney: Oh it’s hugely powerful. It’s like I mean, you and me we’re on the same page and I think so many others are. I mean it’s weird how in crypto it’s like you have you know, these two impulses, I think that impulse sometimes gets over that impulse of like helping other people and things like that and having kind of like this historical awareness that this could potentially be a way more equitable world financial system than what we have now. It gets overshadowed by you know, starks and moon boys and all that stuff. And that stuff is fun and it’s exciting, it raises the profile of crypto over time perhaps, when people make you know, lots of money at it. But at the end of the day, what we’re basically looking at with a transition to a crypto economy is hopefully a much more equitable redistribution of wealth, right? And you know, I think it’s high time that that’s come. It’s true that the world is, a lot of people don’t realize this, but the world is actually overall wealthier and better off than it was 20 years ago by a large margin. But what’s happened is that yes, like the entire sea level of wealth has gone up. Yes, but the disparity of wealth as people at the bottom have been lifted up a little bit, the disparity in people at the top is actually increased, right? So there’s a much bigger gap here between super wealthy people and you know, not so wealthy people, even though we’ve all come up. So I actually think the reason behind that, or one of the major reasons is the Internet and the reason why is because we have these centralized filters of Google, Amazon, and Facebook that actually are able to basically take markets that existed more regionally, right? And expanded them to the entire globe, while at the same time, getting them filtered through these tiny, tiny centralized filters if you will, of their own IP and companies and everything like that. Like the entire global infrastructure is like Google and Facebook and Amazon runs through central entities and they have concentrated in the mass well.

00:23:10:18 – 00:24:08:25

Richard Carthon: Yeah. And I think that’s a really good point of the wealth gap disparity that’s just happening and it’s continuing to happen. And I was having this conversation with someone actually yesterday, of how I believe crypto is going to be the instrument that helps bridge that gap for a lot of people and especially for the ones who find out about it because there’s just so much opportunity in this space to learn and to dominate it. So as it gets to mass adoption, as it continues to appreciate in value that can be what helps elevate them a lot more quickly than through other traditional ways of wealth creation and building of assets and everything else that helps you to kind of just continue to make that gap a little bit smaller. And another thing that I kind of want to ask you I mean, you know, you’ve been in this space for almost a decade now, you know, what are some things that are on the horizon that you think others should be looking out for in both the crypto and blockchain space?

00:24:11:10 – 00:26:21:06

Dylan Dewdney: Well, I’d say right now like, be careful about DeFi. Like, really do your research or whatever projects that you’re getting into because it reminds me it’s starting to be reminiscent to me of 2017 and which is good and bad. Like, it’s good because yes, of course we want our space to do well, but just as an individual, be careful about you know, the stuff that you know, put your chips into. Well, would I be lying if I said I didn’t lose any value in 2017? No, yes I would. You know, a lot of stuff when it seemed to have a lot of promise at the time, but then in hindsight it’s like why would I ever put money into that into this or that? But that’s sort of like the near term you know, a real narrow thing that I’d say is as a piece of advice to look out for. I think that in general, the things that I would say are important to think about are where’s states headed, where’s regulation headed, right? We have in China the digital renminbi is now being used, it’s in pilot and that is not blockchain, that’s not Bitcoin at all. That’s actually totally antithetical to blockchain and Bitcoin, it’s a ledger entry by a state that’s, you know, using that stuff. Same with any idea of like a digital dollar in the United States, right? That’s totally antithetical to Bitcoin and blockchain, that’s just going to be an extra way for people to you know, at levels of government to track you know, your dollars, right? I think privacy is super important.

00:26:22:04 – 00:28:17:15

Dylan Dewdney: Yeah, I think privacy is going to be a big deal because right now, Chainalysis, no company could potentially find all of your ledger entries you know, in bitcoin and in Ethereum. Any public blockchains right now have like a reckoning in the next year and the reckoning is this. I would say the reckoning is this, like do I want people to be like, it’s a strength and a weakness that you can have people verify your stuff, right? It’s a weakness in the sense that you can you can figure it out, you can see, you know, do I want as a business, for example, if I started transacting in Bitcoin, do I want my vendors to know that you know, I’m paying one vendor less or one vendor more and can my vendors know that? Probably they could figure it out. Business intelligence by a clock chain, that’s a reckoning, in terms of privacy and things like that. There’s some good techniques like coin joining and stuff like that. For most people, privacy is like private enough, they’re just they’re just anonymous because no one cares about them. But like eventually there’s gonna be a program that cares about you like you know, just like way back when I had a Hotmail account and who knows what happened. And by 2002, I put it into some site and got, you know, phoned right? Many years later some bot is running through a list of phonable addresses and it gets sold on the darknet. Like don’t fool yourself that not getting into privacy is very, very important.

00:28:18:02 – 00:28:29:29

Richard Carthon: I was going to ask you really quickly to expand a little bit on Chainalysis of how they’re kind of like doing that because actually you’re one of the first to tell me a little bit about this. So could you expand on it a little bit?

00:28:31:18 – 00:30:48:14

Dylan Dewdney: Well she now says like they’re not like that. I don’t want to paint them as some bad entity or anything like that, right? They perform actually great you know, work, in terms of sussing out bad actors in the blockchain space, people who are doing bad stuff like trafficking children or you know, killing people or you know, whatever it is, right? And let’s not have any illusions, that stuff is seriously outlier stuff that’s not like happening on you know, this horrible dark web where Bitcoin like I came into a time where people were like it’s only for drugs and killing people, like Bitcoin, right? But let’s say that you know that you’re trying to get funds to an organization that is, you know, kind of bad, we’ll pretend they’re bad. We just know they’re bad, rather than like any other thing to the opposite, but you know they perform a good service, in terms of figuring that stuff out, but the problem would come to, but they expose the problem with both Bitcoin or Ethereum or other chains that are public. And the problem is that it can be found out, right? Unless you’re using like a coin mixer or unless you’re you know, using you know, one of the privacy coins like some great ones like Bing, or Grand or Narrow or you know, Dash or C Cash or whatever, some of those aren’t actually truly private. Unless you’re using one of these, it’s going to be very easy for you know, like an organization like Chainanalysis to figure out pretty much like they can print out like a spreadsheet just like telling you everything that you did. So be afraid, be very afraid, just kidding. But yeah, yeah. They’re just one example, they’re the most successful company, but they have you know, tons of government contracts.

00:30:50:19 – 00:31:28:13

Richard Carthon: Right. That’s a very interesting point of like with the transparency of it, it can be like you said good and bad and depending on A. What you’re trying to do or from a business standpoint, personal standpoint, you just kind of gotta bring all that into perspective to figure out you know, how can crypto best serve you. But, man, a ton of knowledge and a ton of work. So before you leave, I just want to ask if you could leave us with a final thought that you have for all of our listeners.

00:31:29:20 – 00:33:08:12

Dylan Dewdney: Final thought is we’ve been as humanity has pretty much been under the same framework of value transfer, like a language of value since we were you know, beating on sticks and things like that and trying to find you know, a tiger that’ll give you know, like three pieces of meat if if you’d like, you know, keep watch for me, that sort of thing. You know, I would either need that to happen directly between you and me or need to have a third party to verify that when I came back, like you’re gonna guard over these pieces of meat for my friend because I trust you. Humanity is now at a point where we can be freed from that sort of value language happening you know, directly between us. It’s an entirely new value language that is getting created by blockchain and by Bitcoin. And please do not underestimate it whatsoever. It’s going you know, it’s already changing the world. And read. Just read. Basically, just read and don’t just focus on following the money. Read primary tax, read the bitcoin white paper, read if you can get into it, like accessible things about cryptography or even just fiction, right? Spur your imagination.

00:33:09:00 – 00:33:40:12

Richard Carthon: To add to that I think it’s a really good idea to not follow the money just cause there are projects that are lucrative and doing whatever, but those are people that are playing the short game. I think crypto and blockchain has such an opportunity to play the long game that if you’re following the opportunity, if you’re following the true projects that are building to last, that is where getting that knowledge and reading, just becoming more immersed in this space will truly have dividends and payoff in the future, so I appreciate that final thought.

00:33:42:12 – 00:33:58:27

Dylan Dewdney: 100 percent. Sorry I apologize, I didn’t know if we were ending and I have to make sure for our community I said we’re gonna do this like thing that is after to do a shout out to a famous person in that thing and I’m sending a shout out.

00:34:03:03 – 00:34:11:27

Richard Carthon: Appreciate that I was actually about to say what are some different ways to connect with you, learn about you and if any last words that you’d like to share?

00:34:11:29 – 00:34:54:14

Dylan Dewdney: Yeah, you can definitely connect with us through our Twitter, so I think that’s B,T, let me just check it out right now just to make sure. And yes I do know by my own Twitter, okay guys, don’t start getting up in my business about that. It’s @BTW_.com is our Twitter. We also have a Telegram where I literally believe it or not, I come to every day. So well the other day at least and I say, “Hey how’s everyone doing right now? 20 minutes, some super successful. And yeah engage with us there and that’s it. And then podcasts, awesome podcasts like these like yours man. I really appreciate you having me on. And it was fun to talk to you. Great, great interviewing and I hope you keep cool because I’m sure it’s hot down there.

00:35:14:16 – 00:35:29:09

Richard Carthon: Oh yeah, it’s already starting to heat up for sure. And I really do appreciate your time today speaking with us, talking to our community and we’ll make sure we get all those links up. And everyone listening, make sure you go check out every dot BTW.com. And for everyone listening. State Crypto Current.