Ankit Bhatia & Rob Giometti on Finding Your Tribe in the Metaverse with Sapien Network (Episode 262)
Ankit Bhatia & Rob Giometti join us to discuss on Finding Your Tribe in the Metaverse with Sapien Network.
On this Episode, Richard sits down with Ankit Bhatia and Rob Giometti – the founders of Sapien Network.
Ankit has a passion for understanding the status quo and shaping social systems to be more aligned with nature, culture, and human-centered technology. He graduated with a degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from UC Berkeley and quickly fell in love with the ethos, design, and potential of decentralized technologies to revolutionize the way we connect with each other. As an Indian immigrant and a believer in equal opportunity, he seeks the truth in order to create and live a mindful life that harmonizes his story with the story of his tribes.
Rob graduated from UC Berkeley with a degree in Mathematics and is a lifelong student of many disciplines who understands the vital importance of seeing the world through many different perspectives. Never content to let the status quo remain unchallenged, Rob seeks to apply his knowledge of Mathematics, Technology, Culture and History to build tools to empower people and their tribes to achieve their full potential.
The Sapien Network is a unique protocol that centers around a utility NFT called ‘The Passport’. The NFT Passport grants citizenship to the Sapien Tribe, but will also serve as a key to navigating the Metaverse. With your Passport you’ll be able to identify yourself while maintaining privacy and sharing only what you need to, build reputation and record your contributions to your tribes on a Social Ledger, access exclusive events and digital spaces in the Sapien Metaverse, and create social currencies backed by a network of value-aligned Tribes.
The following transcript was created using artificial intelligence. There will be some grammatical errors below.
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Richard Carthon: Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Crypto Current, your host here, Richard Carthon. And today I have a special treat for you. I have a repeat guest that’s right back on episode one 03, we talked about how Sapient is building the Web3 social network of the future that came out in June of 20 June 22nd of 2020. It has been a year and a half. A lot has happened, and they actually have a ton of amazing new products and features that are coming out that I’m excited to learn more about. We have the two co-founders we have anchored.
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Richard Carthon: And Rob, how are you all doing today?
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Rob Giometti: Pretty great, Richard. Thanks for having us.
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Rob Giometti: Yeah, they’re great. Thanks, Richard.
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Richard Carthon: Absolutely. So I know we have some background on you last time. So Rob, I’m going to ask you first. Can you just give us a little bit of background on yourself?
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Rob Giometti: Yeah, so met on Kid at Berkeley, studied math and computer science, and it’s been a crazy, crazy journey. We really got connected over talking about technology, the future of governance, what the world would look like with, you know, technology really reaching its peak. So
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Rob Giometti: we did that year in 2018 and have been grinding away at it ever since. That’s our story.
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Richard Carthon: And just give us a quick background, so since launching Sapient, what is the journey been like?
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Rob Giometti: Oh my God, it’s it’s been an incredible, incredible journey. So yeah, since we last spoke, Richard, you know, we’re talking about building the web free social network in the future and really trying to articulate what that even looks like, right? Because what we’re seeing in this space is perhaps the biggest and greatest unbundling that we’ve ever seen in our history when it comes to all these multitude of communities and towns being launched. But the thing that really intrigued us was how does it all sort of fit together in a bigger picture and ultimately become more interconnected? So you don’t have all these different doors operating in isolation? And as we sort of dug deeper and deeper into what it means to build the next generation of social networking, we realized that we needed to build a republic of does this sort of.
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Rob Giometti: And the context for this would be a digital nation. And so we’re really trying to blaze the path forward and launch the first sovereign digital nation with with a set of our NFC passports and happiness or talk through all that today.
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Richard Carthon: Yes. So let’s definitely break that down, so when you are first coming out, it was all about creating a decentralized web, three social platform. And then from there, realizing all of the at the time, we didn’t even we weren’t even talking about Dallas, right? We weren’t talking about the last time as organizations. NFTs were around, but they weren’t nearly as popular. They weren’t necessarily being utilized nearly as much. And so basically, you’ve been able to find ways to merge both of these together into what will be the future of. Social platforms being decentralized.
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Richard Carthon: And so from that, you’ve kind of put together what is now being known as the Sapin Tribe NFT passport, so can you explain what is that? And how can people potentially participate?
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Rob Giometti: Yeah, so the key thing here is, you know, when we were thinking about the social platform, it was so much somewhat of a paradox and really where we when we were thinking about it more and more, what we needed to launch was this protocol token primitive. So I’ll let rob sort of give an overview of the protocols and protocols that we outlined in the purple paper. And then we’ll dive a little bit deeper into the fantasy passport that’s coming up.
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Rob Giometti: Yes, Well, one of the things that you know, we were originally focused on before ours was this idea of the democratized autonomous platform, right? And what that was all all about is like letting the users of the firm control their destiny and shape the direction of the platform. So sort of a DAO before a dial. So that led us deep into trying to figure out how to do that. And we analyze this in our purple paper, which we just released that breaks it down into three areas the information, social and economic layer, and our critical provides primitives for each of these.
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Rob Giometti: So and then for me, some layer of repeating a token primitive for curation. The social primitive is that of a passport that serves this identity within the Sego system, a privacy focused identity that lets people care only do what they need. It serves as a social ledger for reputation, and it grants access to creating social currency, which is this economic layer that lets us build a win win economy of interconnected those that are supporting each other. That’s this republic of death.
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Richard Carthon: Wow, OK, so really trying to turn this into, like you just said, the Republic of DAO, so you’re almost making a de centralized, I don’t know, nation, if you will, that people can come and connect with you kind of just go into that just a little bit deeper like that in itself sounds pretty remarkable. But like, how do you what are the steps that are being taken to actualize creating this new type of vision?
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Rob Giometti: Yeah, I think I would say from my perspective, you know, a nation is nothing but the people and the shared values and shared purpose of a collective. And we found it something that inspired Rob and myself as we just didn’t feel like institutions and governments were doing enough to challenge these large collective action problems. And we thought to ourselves, Hey, there’s a much better way to do this, but we have to sort of go to the cloud. We have to exit to the cloud and find new ways of organizing and collaborating that aren’t constrained by just geography.
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Rob Giometti: And I think that’s really what inspired this idea of a digital nation. It’s this idea that everyone’s been throwing around the word metaverse, right? But what does that actually mean? The future that we definitely don’t want to live in is one in which people are just glued to their screens and entirely ignoring what’s going on around them. And we have an opportunity now to sort of reclaim what what this metaverse is. And our thesis is that it’s this blurring of the physical and digital worlds and the protocol that we want to launch is essentially not meant to sort of maximize time on site on platform, but rather just give people the tools to make take collective action, and it’s designed around that.
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Rob Giometti: So just extending on that, it’s a transition from a consumer to a participant. That’s another big part of the metaverse and that affects all of the layers of how they engage with the world in the information layer, it looks like podcast threatening where people are participating as they create content, they’re building community as they share information. And so one of the things that you noted anchored by is this sense making, you know, the people that are trying to make sense of the world. That’s the type of person, the type of community that we’re trying to bring in to this, this digital mission.
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Richard Carthon: Got it. Well, it’s it’s definitely unique, and I know that I definitely have more questions. I want to impact this more so as I’m going through this, it looks like that by minting one of these passports, you’ll have utilities such as ID, building reputation, accessing exclusive events and also being able to create social currencies. Can you kind of break down each of these and kind of go on a little bit deeper into some of these utilities?
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Rob Giometti: I think the first thing that I want to start with is the the uniqueness of the entity, right? And we’re truly doing something that hasn’t been done yet. We’re putting our protocol to the test and the process that we are doing to actually generate executives is again human curation. We’re letting people select historical avatars to put onto their passports. We’re stylizing with sanitizing it, with machine learning. So we’re doing a style transfer from our sapient logo onto the NFT. And the idea really here is for people to choose historical figures that have inspired them and look to the past as a sort of blazing this new path forward with this digital nation.
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Rob Giometti: So we’re looking to elevate people, underrepresented people, people that have just been glossed over by the sands of time and bringing them back to the forefront of of public conversation. So each of these passwords will contain this one to one figure. And the idea then with that is once these passwords are out into the secondary markets, people are free to actually
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Rob Giometti: purchase it and become a citizen of this nation. So create this market that we’re calling liquid citizenship. And one of the key things from there is that once someone decides to sign their passport, it becomes non-transferable. It’s permanently linked to their address, and that’s when it opens up the other sort of utilities that we’re arguing for right around identity, social ledger access and these social currencies. So the first step is for people to really think deeply and say, Hey, do we do? I want to be a founding member of this sabian nation, and once they’ve decided that they sign it, at which point that NFT becomes non-transferable.
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Rob Giometti: And from there, the NFT is really the first of its kind asset class. It works just like your real passport. You can append like additional sort of data to it. So we think that’s a good way to sort of build your identity, right? So other entities that you’re collecting. You can start appending it to your passport, your contributions, your achievements as you sort of navigate the communities, the metaverse can be tracked on your passport. So we’re really trying to think of this as like this all in one tool as you’re kind of moving around and contributing to different things about how to how you want to spend your time this new space.
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Ankit Bhatia: Everything should be tracked. And as Rob is saying, the big piece here is making sure it’s privacy preserving by default, right? And we’re really advocate advocating the, you know, using Zcash Starks to, by default, encrypt everything that’s on this passport, right? And the sort of popular analogy is like, Look, when you go to a a bar and you’re being carded to be checked, if you’re over twenty one, you don’t actually need to reveal all your information. You don’t need to reveal your you know what your hide, your location, you know your address, your way to all these things, your eye color. That’s too much data that’s being leaked out.
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Ankit Bhatia: And the argument is very simple. As you sort of move around with this passport, you should only have to reveal two communities, only that which the community is asking for. And I think that that is a strong base. And even we were at Denver in a really big way this year, and this is something big that Vitalik was arguing for, as well as this sort of base. Layers of these protocols should be privacy preserving always. If you leak it at that level, then you can build secure systems. And the final piece of the social currency zone passed off to rob. You can touch it on the UBI and essentially how we want citizens to shape the communities that they’re investing into.
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Ankit Bhatia: Yeah, so the keeper was our social currency, the tribe. The Treasury token is this that it’s designed around a win win ecosystem. So each of these tokens isn’t designed to operate in isolation, but rather as part of the network. So each of these tokens is collateralized by a vault which can hold NFTs and other social tokens. So the idea here is that communities can invest in each other than collateralized their tokens with each other’s tokens to reduce the barrier to entry to, you know, let them share risk, can share rewards and to really build a powerful, resilient network of tokens and communities within this existence.
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Rob Giometti: Right. Yeah.
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Rob Giometti: I have see all this gave a lot, and I want to try to unpack all of it, right? So the first layer of this, as you are creating this whole, our nation having this passport, you basically have a way that you created this interoperable tool. We can go across not just your metaverse, but across other peoples as well. Be able to bring their NFTs with them. Have this as a piece of identification that they can bring with them. Only reveal the information necessary to join, said Ecosystem Metaverse.
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Rob Giometti: What have you and then be able to participate or do whatever you want within that realm? But then also another piece of this is that you’re allowing for these passport holders to be able to create tokens that you call to the tribe.
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Rob Giometti: Were you joking token
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Richard Carthon: tribe, treasury token? And then you within your own tribe that you create? You can collateralize it using NFTs or or let’s just call it NFT for now for base of value. And then with that, that token now has its value. So then you can go and do what you want with it. Whether you want to go lend, use it as a DeFi tool or if you want to use it to pay for a particular project that you want to go do for that particular tribe is now allowing you to have some actual collateral to prove the value of the token within that community.
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Richard Carthon: So I guess my next question within that, though, does that mean that within each tribe, although it’s the same token that each token within different tribes will have different levels of value?
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Richard Carthon: So the idea here is that each tribe can lodge their own token, right, so the treaty is essentially the token standard that we’re where we’re advocating for. So each each community will have their own token with their own, both at their collateralize and against. Right. And the idea is that these bonds can hold other tribe tokens as well. So it’s a way to sort of co-invest into the the sort of new digital economy that’s being created.
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Richard Carthon: Doctor was talking about the UBI, the universal basic income. So one idea we’ve been playing around with. So we’ll have our own token within this ecosystem that’ll sort of sit at the top right. And we’re looking to support other communities. One thing we may do is invest in their token spread through sort of a token swaps so that our vaults consist of all of these tribes that we’re supporting and we’re winning. As they’re winning, we’re supporting them and also gaining as they as they produce value.
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Rob Giometti: Right, and this is such a key point, and for our listeners, I think it’s helpful to ground it in an analogy. You know, typically what we see with UBI and arguments there is, Hey, Uncle Sam’s going to come out, write a check for you and submit it to your said. It’s your bank and you’ll receive that money in the future that we’re advocating for here is that, you know, a nation can take a stake in its citizens, the its citizens. So we’re actually sending them our sort of native currency and we’re receiving their currency back into our vaults.
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Rob Giometti: That’s creating this sort of Win-Win economy, right where people have a stake in each other. And that’s that’s really where we’re at a
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Rob Giometti: time when we’ve been using to describe this. And really is this idea of venture governance, right? It’s creating governance ecosystems that are able to benefit from the efficiencies of like venture markets and traditional markets where there are incentives that play for people to, you know, perform and create value that are maybe missing in traditional governance, right?
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Richard Carthon: OK, so you’re creating a token that potentially can create UBI Universal Basic Income, but you’re also creating a way that. People within these tribes within these Sapient ecosystem can also have a vault where they can go and store and create value that they can colorized and use the funds as a units to go and do whatever they want with. So I think I have that that concept graphs down. What I want to do for all the listeners right now is kind of break it all down because what you all are trying to do is it’s quite a feat, right? You have basically four main pieces that you are trying to accomplish here.
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Richard Carthon: So and four for each of the listeners here, you might not want to get involved in all four, but each one of these four potentially might speak to you. So the first one? That we want to talk about first is just sticking with the passport, so. I believe there is a Mitt event coming up. How can people either participate in by minting one of these passports? What are some of the initial things that they will be able to do with it?
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, so the men’s event is on March 14, 2022, and we will be meeting a thousand of these passports. And aside from the sort of initial artwork that we’re putting into these entities were using it primarily as an access token to start with because there’s a lot to be built here. You know, the things that we talk to, we need. We need the community’s guidance and their voice as we sort of build out this protocol. So right now, our discord, we’re in the process of really growing, that it’s been growing really, really rapidly.
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Richard Carthon: People are joining there and listing themselves. So the whole process is managed, managed over there. And yeah, we’re engaging these. So like nearly every day, we have a group of people jumping into voice channels and talking about the future of future of tribes, how all this comes together and what these tools ultimately enable. But just start with this task force are just fundamental to identifying the sort of true citizens. And as I mentioned before, right, the first thing that will come out is the funding mechanism.
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Richard Carthon: So the people that are really, truly committed to this vision will have an opportunity to sign and become founding members of the first digital nation.
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Rob Giometti: And the people that have signed their passports were looking to put in real effort in creating value for them and bring them into this ecosystem, we’re looking at doing things like, you know, registering legal entities, stories for them, helping convert real world assets into NFT use, planning, how their currency should be launched and how it fits into our ecosystem, looking at other communities that they can connect with to create value economically or through shared participation. There’s a ton ton here.
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Richard Carthon: Got it. So you’re looking for that first thousand that wants to join the the Sapin tribe and be one of its first digital citizens, if you will. So with that, you want some of the perks you have out there that you kind of just listed are helping them with, potentially with setting up their own decentralized autonomous organizations. You kind of walk through what that looks like. So let’s say that someone’s listening to this right now. There’s like, this sounds great. I’m really interested in actually need help because I’ve been want to create a DAO for being able to save enough money to buy this really, really cool in real life art piece that I think is going to help do X-Y-Z.
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Richard Carthon: How would you all go about helping said person with potentially doing that?
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Rob Giometti: Yeah, yeah. I know this is great because we’ve been talking to a bunch of daos and bringing them on board into into this Republic of Dallas. But honestly, it it is. It has to start with the conversation. I think a lot of people jump to the conclusion that they need a DAO right away, but there’s obviously a lot that goes into that, and the definition of what a DAO is is very fluid. Some people call a Telegram group with a single token DAO. But what is that? What does that really mean and is that the right structure for you? I think that’s that’s the first conversation that we’re starting to have right now in our community from there.
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Rob Giometti: The idea is that we’re going to we’re going to release our protocol right now. We’re starting late April right after the passport, and that will primarily be the the way by which people are can create these, these these tribes, right? In a sort of simple sort of user experience. We want to make this as simple as it is to create a subreddit or a Facebook group as it is to create a DAO. And really, you know, we what we’re seeing with this with the industry is people are somewhat jaded by discord.
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Rob Giometti: People have like a part of, you know, 10, 15, 20 different discord. It’s really hard to to keep track of them, and the information is so formal. We’re advocating for a more knowledge, more structured knowledge sort of protocol. And I think that’s that’s really what we’re going to be offering the sort of initial goals that are partnering with us. And just to speak a little bit to that, we’ve been having some great conversations with
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Rob Giometti: Dao. So Afropolitan, one of the digital nations that’s launching in Africa to build the Pan African network state. They were recently aligned with them, and they want to really empower Africans to reach their full potential. And that’s like an example of a DAO that we brought on Mongo NFT Dao. That’s another one in Mongolia for many Mongolian artists, we’re looking to sort of build a tighter alliance with them and also just like the, you know, outside of Web3, we recently brought on Debbie Hammond Jr.,
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Rob Giometti: who is a co-founder of Lean In with Sheryl Sandberg as an advisor. And we’re really trying to see if there’s some potential to collaborate there and maybe even launch a doubter, lean in and bring in this next generation of entrepreneurs and builders into into Web3. So there’s no sort of DAO that’s
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Rob Giometti: too early or far away from from Web3. I think there’s this tremendous opportunity here, and I think it’s a it’s really a step by step process by which we’re onboarding them into this broader ecosystem.
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Richard Carthon: Got it now. That’s really exciting, and it sounds like the value that you’re trying to create is is. Not just providing a service, but providing insight, community and actionable steps that they can take, as well as the resources to get it done. One of the other pieces of this, I think is interesting is kind of the metaverse playwright. So sounds like y’all are trying to create some online digital events as well that would be exclusive for this group.
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Richard Carthon: Are you able to talk about any of those potentially?
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Rob Giometti: Actually, they prefer to talk about the ones we’re doing earlier. So actually, yes, let’s do November. We had an event at the Cyprian in New York that was the first Congress of the CPA nation, and that was an opportunity to really bring people in and start having these again, these conversations about what it is all nation can accomplish. And that was massively, massively successful. We had more than 300 people show out, and this was, I think, a couple of days after NFT NYC. But yeah, just the passion that we saw, Rob.
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Rob Giometti: I don’t know if you want to speak a little about it, but people were really, really fired up about
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Rob Giometti: collective action and what would be done.
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Rob Giometti: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And the energy at the having people in person is so, so important. Really. You can feel it when you’re when you’re there with people like that, it feels like it’s possible to change the world despite everything that’s going on around us. You know, it’s easy to get pretty jaded, but that speaks to sort of our vision of the metaverse as well, which Ankara is seeing and sort of blending the digital and the physical and really sort of the bullish on augmented reality for this reason. But we really want to create it’s a shared digital world that is within the physical world, and we don’t want people to sort of escape from this world, but to use these tools to build new value within the world that they’re already part of so that they can, you know? Feel all the benefits of being part of communities, and they can discover new communities and build new communities and build new value in the communities that they’re already a part of.
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Richard Carthon: Got it. Yeah, that sounds excellent. Now I got a lot of really great information from you all, and I really appreciate that as we kind of wrap up here, I always like to finish with a couple of fun questions. One of the main ones I like to bring up is with all the information that you now have as you’ve been building out Sapient. If you could go in part one or two pieces of wisdom to yourself when you first got started with building this, what would you tell yourselves?
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Rob Giometti: That’s a great question. I would I would say for myself.
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Rob Giometti: I think. This is still an investment, for sure, I remember saying this last night, I was on TV, but it’s still early. It’s still really, really early in Web3, and I just I just you anyone listening to this that is on the fence had to check jump in or not. This is this is the time to do it right. Like we need. We need more builders, we need more thinkers, we need more diversity. We need more perspectives into what this future looks like. And I just urge everyone that everyone who has the privilege of doing so to take the risk to jump in and and be a part of this movement.
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, from time, I said, I think it’s just build connections and really go out there and talk to people because we spend a lot of time heads down trying to figure out really hard problems and we ultimately found our way there. But I think, you know, maybe there are a few instances where we could have got there quicker if we’d been more open to talking with people than figuring it out. But again, there’s some problems that you really only learn the hard way.
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Richard Carthon: But right now, the both of those are definitely good lessons for people who are listening to this. Have the privilege to be able to get into this. And even if it’s not for your full time getting, even if it’s just as a side hustle, figuring this out, getting more information, then it’s still early. I will echo that. It’s early, early, early. And then what Rob said with.
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Richard Carthon: It’s a lot easier to get where you’re trying to go if you find people who have already been there. And even if you don’t need all the answers, you just have a particular answer you’re trying to get to asking or speaking with someone who’s been in that exact example before. You can at least point you in the right direction and get you where you’re trying to go faster, so. Ask for help. Be surrounded by people who you believe can offer good sound advice. And at least point you in the right direction. Doesn’t mean they’re going to put you in the direction they at least can point you in a direction that helps you get to the right direction.
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Richard Carthon: But keep speaking up.
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Richard Carthon: And Richard, I want to jump in here too, because, you know, obviously with these passports, we are giving out these picks for historical avatars. And I was wondering if you wanted to share your pick and maybe five a.m..
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Richard Carthon: Yeah, happy to do that. So. And Ken and Rob were kind enough to get me one of these amazing passports and on them you get to pick a historical figure. So my historical figure that I selected was Jackie Robinson. Jackie Robinson is near dear to me. For all those who don’t know who he is, he was the first African-American baseball player in the MLB. He helped cross boundaries and help set the stage for black people in America to be able to play professional baseball.
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Richard Carthon: I was a big baseball player growing up and read a lot of books about Jackie Robinson. And he’s always been a hero to me. So when the prompt was what is, if you could name one, the three historical figures of of someone who you’d want to be on that passport. He was the first person that came to mind. So that is why I chose Jackie Robinson.
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Richard Carthon: Amazing. Amazing. It’s a really solid. And Richard, for all your audience members, what are some advice for for those that are thinking about taking their historical avatars right now, would you? What would you tell,
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Richard Carthon: um, who inspires you? Who is someone that paved the way so that you could live your dream today? It was someone that did all of the hard work. Or just gave a little bit more so that you could have that opportunity, that you have the opportunity to go and do wouldn’t even be an idea had they not gone and done that work. I think that’s a solid way to approach that decision.
00:28:39:01 – 00:28:43:07
Richard Carthon: That’s amazing advice, Richard. You a really great thing to think about. Super powerful.
00:28:44:15 – 00:28:48:07
Richard Carthon: Well, thank you for jumping on our podcast, Richard. Really appreciate it.
00:28:50:02 – 00:29:01:13
Richard Carthon: You got it. Maybe she does more often, but this is this has been excellent. Always. Let’s wrap up with the final thoughts. What is the final thoughts that both of you would like to leave with everyone listening here today?
00:29:03:19 – 00:29:08:15
Richard Carthon: I’d say be bold people with what you’re building and stick to your guns. Go far.
00:29:09:09 – 00:29:14:17
Richard Carthon: Yeah. Stay hungry now. You got a. Stay hungry and keep at it.
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Richard Carthon: Two great final thoughts. Appreciate you both. What are ways that people can learn more about Sabian and this amazing passport that’s about to drop?
00:29:25:25 – 00:29:50:17
Richard Carthon: So we’re active at that Saban underscore network on Twitter, and our discord is where Robin are spending most of our times as much as we want to spend more time in the real world. That’s where we are right now, and we have to stay up to date with our website and our network, and we are going into this 40 minutes. So looking forward to connecting with more people as they join the community.
00:29:52:05 – 00:30:10:01
Richard Carthon: Excellent. Well, and Kate, Rob, thank you both for coming on the show and thank you for coming back for round two. Everyone, listen and make sure you go and check out everything that Sapient has going on. I know that I am very interested in this and I will be staying up to date, so make sure you go give them a look and of course, stay. Crypto Current.
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